Good morning, Boneheads!
Ugh…It wouldn’t be so upsetting if they lost in OT on the road after coming from behind. But this one point feels very disappointing. All articles this morning are about NJ, not our boys. Forget about the links….
Good morning, Boneheads!
Ugh…It wouldn’t be so upsetting if they lost in OT on the road after coming from behind. But this one point feels very disappointing. All articles this morning are about NJ, not our boys. Forget about the links….
230 responses to “Rangers-3, Devils-4 (OT)”
Awful game. I don’t care how anyone tries to spin it.
It’s not just that a 2-0 lead was blown, it’s the fact that it was blown to a team of talented but inexperienced kids fighting for second place.
All the insiders feel that this trade deadline is going to heavily include 3rd party teams with cap space. Seravalli wrote a piece that showed previous 3rd party trades. Price was not that high. 3rd or 4th round pick. On his podcast, Ferraro had what I can’t decide whether it was a stupid idea, or an interesting idea. I’ll go with interestingly stupid. His thought was, and I’ll use the Rangers as an example, teams like the Rangers could trade Kreider (example) to CBJ, for a 7th round pick. CBJ gets a quality NHL player. The Rangers get cap space from a deep position, in order to trade for a position they need help. For example, they then trade for Chychrun.
I think five playoff spots will belong to Metropolitan. One of the top six will be out. At this point their 102 points pace may not suffice. They’ll have to take it up a notch. They usually do.
I thought Ferraro was still running around bare-assed in Tampa’s locker room with champagne?
It makes sense though. The contenders/playoff teams are all cash strapped this season.
If they don’t make it it’s on the leadership group. Fans will wet their skinny jeans crying that it’s GG’s fault. The ugly truth is this is a flawed group in terms of…I don’t even know what you call it. I’ve never seen anything like it. They know how to play to win and have some success when they do it but they don’t do it consistently.
For years now they’ve been stifled by journey men and rookie goalies, they’ve blown leads, they have a knack for allowing goals the first shift after they score.
That being said, this was one of those “take a breath fellas” games. Ugly but still a matinee in January that will be meaningless in spring. Unless of course they miss out by a point
Unfortunately, NYR succeeded in reenergizing NJ (once again)
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The Rangers gave up far too many odd man rushes yesterday. Forwards being caught too deep and defensemen with bad pinches. How a club does not notice that and adjust will always be something that puzzles me. The Kreider goal was the way they needed to play and they chose not to, for the most part.
So they trade a first line 40 goal scorer who also plays in every single game situation for a 7th rounder, a D who will play 2nd-3rd pair minutes and will require some serious pick(s) assets to obtain, plus $1.9M cap space? I’d think twice about hiring Drury to walk my dogs if he makes that trade.
The general thought out there is that Towes is more likely to be traded than Kane. Reason being that Kane is very attached to Chicago. Family has moved there, girlfriend is from there, and he is heavily involved in his charities, and does not want to relocate twice. We all know the insiders get a lot of there info from agents. So to me this sounds like the agent for Kane letting all suitors know that he’s not coming to you unless you plan to re-sign him. Rumors all along have been the Rangers are interested. I heard more than one insider say that Kane wants the Rangers, and to stay with the Rangers.
Cmon Ilb,
It was just an example. The names were mine, not Ferraro.
ilb
You’re almost spot with your 8:17 post. Yes I agree they usually turn it up a notch. Problem is they have the toughest schedule coming down the pike. They will need to turn it up 2 notches. I’m not sure they can, they didn’t do it yesterday did they?
Kane isn’t solving any of their problems. Not the ones that will make them an easy out in the first round without Shesterkin in Vezina form..
Not sure what Toews would cost but at 34 they could do better if Chicago expects a premium
ILB
I know what BDL was attempting to show us he just didn’t use the right names lol
It’s what we see a lot of these days. Third team in is a cellar dweller that carries the cap hit in exchange for some assets.
I should have just made up the names. The Rangers trade Bill to CBJ for a 7th rounder. Then with the cap space gained by doing that, they trade for Fred.
So you ain’t walking my dogs either, BDL 😃
Just kidding, BDL. I understand the idea, teams dump big contracts via third team that needs assets. But those guys are usually either on LTIR, may never play in the league, or guys with big contracts who aren’t playing even close to their pay grade level anymore.
That is not what Ferraro was saying. He was talking about legitimate NHL players. I used Kreider as an example because Ferraro point was, trade a player from a deep position. Which the Rangers are very deep at LW, In order to clear cap space, and enable yourself to trade for a position of need. CBJ, in this example would be getting a very useful player, not a salary dump.
If this is the case then CBJ should be giving up their assets to get that player NYR need. If Drury gives up Kreider AND has to give up any additional assets to get a player they need, it’s not a smart trade.
BDL hates Kreider!
James,
They need at least one top 9 winger. Preferably on the RW. In my opinion, they need a true 3C. Chytil being the 3C is an issue. And the need a 4C. Plus an upgrade at LD3.
Ups and downs of a long season …tying goal was a bad bounce to the wrong player…don’t see Kane coming unless Drury gets a great deal…he’s gonna get a vet center or physical winger along with a dept D,an
For example, what do you think it will cost to get Chychrun? A first plus mid level prospect? More? So you’re giving up that plus Kreider? I don’t think it’s a smart move.
But if they don’t trade Kreider, they can’t afford the other player that they need.
Like I said, i thought the idea was stupid.
Very interesting, but stupid.
Chychrun is a bad example too. He’s Fox lite.
I don’t agree with that at all.
Bdl
That sounds a lot like how the nfl moves vet players in trades…late round picks a lot of times.
Rydahl did not play for the Pack last night. He did play the night before. Probably means nothing. Rydahl has missed time this year with injury. Probably just that.
Plus Kreider or any of the big contracts has to waive his NMC. I don’t see it happening. Panarin and Trouba are the big overpays on the roster. Are they going to move them? Mika, CK and Fox will cost just as much to replace and that won’t make them any better. I see them doing stuff like they did last year at the deadline which is not likely to make people here happy. Also they are likely to be fighting for a playoff spot at the deadline. If they are on the outside looking in I don’t see a reason to give up a bunch of assets for the 2nd WC spot and a likely first round loss. Make the moves over the Summer or at the draft when a better deal may be available. Also if they don’t make the playoffs it may be time for a coaching change as GG may have taken them as far as he can.
Fwiw, I heard the same pod Bdl and I get what you are saying.
Ilb shouldn’t worry, Kreider can’t be moved until the summer of 2024 at the earliest.
Even though everyone understands Kreider was just a “name” example and you don’t really hate him …I think lol.
😉
10’ pole on the how easy to replace which player convo here…
Chychrun had more hits in one season than Fox has had in his entire career. They are not similar style players.
Wicky,
I used the word example a few times. Maybe I needed to use it a few more times😁.
Bdl
Probably. Especially with Ilb if he’s had more than 2 cups of coffee and 20 seconds of free time.
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I expect Rangers to be in 2nd place in metro by March
And Drury will make moves
I also would not be shocked in the least to see the rangers use a third team in a deal as well as Toews being a ranger (I think he’s a better fit than Kane) and it wouldn’t take a 3rd team to acquire him.
And you don’t really need to “walk” ilb’s dogs, you can just put them in your pockets and walk yourself lol. 😜
BDL
Oh sure you and your buddies want to run Bill out of town because he’s a brunch crowd guy. Can’t have skill right?
And Fred too of course. You think because he doesn’t get PP1 time that he won’t be a 75 point guy elsewhere?
Bill is a ranger draft pick and that is more important than getting a better player in here that will help them win more.
Just because a player has more hits than another doesn’t necessarily make him any better defensively. He’s not close to Fox’s defensive ability and he’s not getting any better in Arizona.
Not to mention Bill is really close to Ted and they have chemistry, might as well move on from Ted too at that point.
We couldn’t afford him after his current contract anyway, so that would open up another, even shorter window.
Ted’s in Hartford right now. I heard he’s progressing nicely.
BDL
In regards to “ They need at least one top 9 winger. Preferably on the RW. In my opinion, they need a true 3C. Chytil being the 3C is an issue. And the need a 4C. Plus an upgrade at LD3.”
…I agree with everything you said here I just don’t think it has to be Towes any more than it has to be O’Reilly or Horvat.
I think
1. A lot will depend on the price.
2. They should address center before wing where they could technically slide Chytil if they truly plan on keeping him.
3. It’s another situation where the names do not matter as much. Once the deadline comes and goes they need to be better defensively up front and upgrade the center position
Agree on the third line centre spot. If it is corrected it should also correct some other “issues”. Definitely need a 4C. Also need to get some improperly slotted guys out of those places.
It’s all very correctable.
Wick’s 11:13 m-100%!
BTW, I just got my kids Bill and Fred jerseys for Christmas. Doh!
Kidding aside, in addition to the possibility of Chytil, Kravtsov and/or Jones, there’s the kids who were at the World Juniors. Othmann is probably close to untouchable, but Sykora, Chmelar and Vaisenan,(all wings) raised their value at that tournament. (Laba, a center, to my knowledge didn’t get any playing time). We also have the 1st round pick Drury got from the Nils deal. Obviously not moving all of those pieces, but Drury has some really good trade chips to work with. Hope we get a center under contract.
I don’t see the salary dump then trade being an option for NYR. The three highest paid players without full NMC are Fox, Goodrow, and Lindgren. Goodrow and Lindgren are the type of players you acquire for the playoffs, and wouldn’t save a ton of space anyway. Fox isn’t getting traded.
Drury has to make this decision, and soon: are they settled with Zibanejad-Trocheck as their 1-2 punch?
I meant to add “long term “.
I did not claim that Chychrun was better than Fox at anything. I’m just pointing out stylistically they are not similar.
Tom,
Add Berard to that list.
BDL hates Fox..can’t wait to trade him with Fred and Bill
ILB-what do you mean re: your 11:34? What’s the alternative? Moving Trocheck to 3C?
Mika and Trocheck NMCs mean they already made that decision.
Bobbyo
I don’t disagree the 2nd place finish in the Metro. But did you see my 9:10 post? It won’t be easy to make that happen.
Harpur is doing a good job, but he looked like a pylon against the dirt bag devils. They need an upgrade at 3LD for sure. A 3C is imperative. Not sure they will be able to make all 3 happen, 3LD, RW, 3C.
As much as it will pain some folks that don’t want to talk about next years lineup during this current season, unfortunately you have to in order to get the “big picture”.
Who they add and what they pay depends a lot on who within the organization might be ready to play in the nhl on entry level deals.
7 guys that played last game are due new contracts. (Plus hajek…sorry had to lol). Some rfa, most arb eligible, along with a couple ufas.
How many can they address with in house elcs next season? How many should come back (4 is my guess)? The ask of these players on their next contracts needs to be known or fairly accurately speculated because all this has a direct impact on which kind of contracts the players they might add at the deadline have and the assets they use for not only the run they make this year (whatever it may end up being) but the roster for next season versus the cap constraints.
Pizza boy has his work cut out for him.
Gravy 12:01 is spot on!
Pete they p,ay better against good teams and have gotten better as season progressed….they are better than Derbils Pitt and Caps
What Pizza boy needs to do is make a decision on Troubs after season …they can’t pay 8m to someone who will be 3rd pair Dman eventually
They hamstrung themselves a bit with the NMCs (Gorton and Drury), but that’s becoming more the norm. I’m honestly shocked Fox doesn’t have one until 25-26. It will be interesting to see what they do with him at that point since Igor will be UFA that offseason. Anyway, some time to think about that I guess 🙂
bobbyo
They will certainly have the opportunity to prove your point. But like I said earlier they didn’t yesterday. And it was important, and it did matter, in spite of what Trouba said about the loss.
I view Toews and O’Reilly as better targets than Kane. They fill their center need with a guy that is good at the dot and can be a shut down guy as well. Drop Trochek down to 3C and the are pretty deep there. O’Reilly is a question mark now though since he is on IR with a broken foot. He needs to prove he is healthy before they trade for him. They will have to the pay the partner with a draft pick to retain salary in either case. In Toews’ case that might not even be enough.
It was more important to Desperate Devil team who hadn’t won at home in weeks
The shut down centers being named my have trouble keeping up with a Hughes, Aho, Barzal, Mariner etc
Bennett contract
They should be checking in on Bennett with Panthers .
bobbyo
Why do the Rangers never seem to be desperate but there opponents do?
Lol..keeping up.
Dog park versus the bathroom confused soul.
Kreider is the first big contract they can do anything with..in the summer of 2024.
Trouba is next at the start of the 2024 season. Until then, there is nothing to “consider” or “figure out” with Trouba.
Gravy
Agree again, very odd he didn’t get one.
Fox doesn’t have NMC until 2025-26 season because it’s not allowed by CBA. A player is not eligible for any contract clause until they reach an UFA eligibility.
UFA eligibility starts when a player either plays 7 NHL seasons, or is 27 yr old, whichever comes first. Fox will have only 6 NHL seasons in 2025, but will turn 27 in February of that year.
Trade Trouba and the clamor for a replacement that does what Trouba does..makes sense. Kind of like not re-signing “dime a dozen” Brian Boyle 8 years ago.
Ilb
Thank you for the clarification.
Since we on that page. This “7 year NHL experience” is why some think that 39 game threshold is more important than 9 game. While playing in game 10 counts as a first year of ELC contract, playing in game 40 counts as a full year of NHL experience. Because of that, for instance, Chytil will become an UFA at 25 yr of age.
James
Agree 100%. Then the excuse will be use Schneider as the replacement but why don’t we have another guy like Schneider on the right…etc…etc…etc.
The problem with Troubs is the 8m per …Schneider will be better than him …very soon
Schneider may be better already.
Jamie Benn makes $9.5. He’s playing on the 3rd line for the Stars. Different position and different kind player, but happens to be Dallas’ captain. They’re in 1st place. He’s having a come back season. The fact that he’s on their 3rd line speaks to the strength of that team. The fact that he’s making that much is based on the deal he signed years ago. He has a NMC and so does Trouba. Why do we keep saying we need to trade guys who cannot be traded?
Tomk nails it. Great post tomk.
There are some close your eyes and wish rangers fans but that isn’t reality.
I think we’d all prefer all the ranger high dollar contracts were lower (I know I would).
The reality is the contracts were going higher pre-pandemic and so was the revenue…contracts offered and signed prior to reflect that.
The contracts will go higher again as the cap and revenue sort itself out in a couple of seasons.
The issue isn’t the contracts per se re the overall pre pandemic outlook (Panarin and trouba were pre COVID I think) and similar to consensus draft picks, players are going to get the same deal somewhere so in some cases gms say “why not us”.
It’s the rest of this season and next (maybe one more after) and then it will sort itself out and contracts will escalate and some won’t seem as exorbitant as they do now.
GMs pay what other GMs will pay, and players take advantage of that.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Thanks, ilb. Didn’t know that stipulation regarding NMC. So, then not a surprise at all.
As for this year, as others pointed out, the options are limited. Trouba, Kreider, Mika, Panarin, and Trocheck are here for the foreseeable future, so people need to stop including them in trades 🙂
Wick, good point about contracts. Panarin was getting 11M from the Isles too at that point. Panarin has given the team exactly what they signed up for, even better statistically. No one expected him to turn into a power forward.
When you can lock on a fixed amount for term, it’s usually a good thing if the player performs reasonably close to expectations. Before COVID, you could reasonably have expected the cap to increase every year, so the impact of the 11M is less each year.
That’s not say there isn’t better value out there. Of course I’d rather have Draisaitl at 8.5M.
I just want the cup before whatever a lifetime ends up being.
Thanks Sam, “Live long and prosper!”
Gravy
3 in a row with great stuff!!
St Pete
We all do…Sam sucks!
I surely hope the Rangers do not make stupid trades at the deadline that are born of desperation. We should not be trading 2st round picks and assets at this point as it is highly unlikely that they are making a run for the cup. They just seem to uninterested in playing hard for 60 minutes to take them seriously as a cup contender. Unfortunately.
Therefore they need to keep their 1st rounders in the upcoming draft and maybe even try to obtain another one or two.
The likely scenario however is trading the farm for a run that ends in the second round and leads to more misery. We have all seen this movie before.
I just don’t understand when it becomes ok to trade these picks. Unless the plan is to move into the top 3-5 slot where they get someone who can contribute to the effort to win now which they’re obviously committed to, we are talking about a whole other core that goes beyond even the Laffys and Kakkos and Othmans.
Besides, the moral of the story as most agree is that there’s no contract that can be moved right now and this no space to add a guy
Bobby Let me guess…once we replace Trouba w Schneider we can replace Schneider with an offensive Dman that can play the PP right? 😜
I agree with you James,no contact without divine intervention can be moved.
This draft however is being touted as a very deep one. Therefore the more picks the merrier as I see it. However, taking into account that it is the Rangers we are speaking maybe I should not be confident that they would draft well anyway.
I think there needs to be some sort of consensus on the “deep draft” descriptor.
If you say “deep draft” and mean you can get a quality nhl ready to play immediately guy not just in picks 1-3 but picks 1-20, that’s one thing (as an example).
If you mean there is a better chance of getting a consistent nhl player than Chytil n previous drafts in later rounds, thats differently entirely.
Either way, a team likely to finish where the rangers will in the draft order (Dallas as well) it really doesn’t matter if the early on part of the first round is deeper or not nor does it matter with later round picks.
Trade the first round picks in a heartbeat in a good/right deal.
I’m certainly not disputing the value of picks in a draft that has a lot of talent to be selected. The organization has to trade something to get what they need eventually. It won’t be Trouba and Kreider that go at the next two -three deadlines to do it.
I’m tired of repeating myself they’re going to do the same thing they’ve done for decades trade picks and prospects for a run. This will probably result in the same thing that’s happened for decades falling short of the prize again. Then being without quality developing draft picks until the core fades away, only to start the same cycle over again. I know you all will say I’m being negative but it’s happening right before our eyes. But but but this year will be different.
Exactly St Pete.
They can’t just throw picks and prospects away for 1 year rentals.
Last season, they had a better team (arguably) with more cap space and more in the cupboard. Last seasons team was greatly improved at the deadline. I’d like them to be more prudent about this season.
This season, it’s the Derbils whom have oodles of cap space and talent in the cupboard. If I’m then, I’d go all out for it. They need to get tougher.
What have they parted with in the last five years that would have changed any of that Eli?
There’s your silver lining..if they can’t draft then they might sway trade the picks away anyhow. We are just going to complain and wish we took someone else anyhow!
James
You’ve just made my point rinse repeat. Well over a month ago I believe I said this organization is a clown show. But I get it I should jump and shout everytime they lose to the devils because there is plenty of time. And I understand that they have had tough luck with recent picks #1 & #2. That’s why IMHO a complete organizational rebuild is necessary. Unfortunately it will not be happening until Dolan moves on. But hey they’ve had every opportunity to prove me wrong for decade.
Pay a little more and get guys who are signed beyond this season. Get the other team for eat some salary. It doesn’t have to be ROR or Horvat or even Toews. Or if they do trade for a rental, make it for a guy who it’s realistic to extend.
James
I’m not saying they shouldn’t go for with this core. Just be ready for the same results
They’re 6-2-2 in their last 10. As (I think) Bobby said, they raise their game against better teams. Last spring, they were one of the last 3 teams,(out of 32), standing. Back late November they seemed to be in disarray. Every team has their issues. Rangers are no exception. They will be buyers, as they should be.
Minx,
I’m just not understanding. So you’re saying they trade picks which is bad then don’t win which is bad then the picks they do have that weren’t traded amount to nothing which is also bad? Lol
You right James what was thinking. But isn’t that what they’ve doing for the past I don’t how many years? Oh I forgot lol!
Tom, agreed. I think the writing was on the wall lat season and that’s why they were alright w the rental route. Still think they woulda kept Motte and maybe Vatrano if they could have. The offer to Strome was respectable but he turned it down and as much as it was rumored that they wanted to keep Copp he said publicly that an offer wasn’t ever made prior to him signing w Detroit. So I think that says a lot as well.
So guys that can be here beyond the second season are probably not out of the question.
I loved Motte and Frankie V.
Good posts this afternoon, guys. Very educational.
Rydahl update? 🤔
‘Forget Him’ lol!
James Schnieder shud be on 2nd powerplay now…and you can get another physical Dman to play 34$ pair for a lot less than 8m
It’s not just “being physical” though with Trouba. He’s a game changing open ice hitter on top of being physical, while some fans want to gripe about his offense or lack there of in their eyes, he’s scores more points than most other “overtly” physical d men.
Lest we also forget his teammates over the last few seasons have pretty much to a man said he was (before getting the “C”) the undisputed captain and leader. They also attributed the team turnaround this season to his leadership on and off the ice culminating in the Olympic helmet toss.
While that may not all matter to some fans, it matters in a room, it matters on the ice, and it matters to GMs.
Players aren’t machines, they have good and bad games or seasons and everything in between…they’re humans like most of us, not perfect.
Complete organizational rebuild? The team that went to CF last year, is on the pace of 102 points, and is the 6th youngest team in the league? That’d be a tough sell.
Except Robocop
He’s physical with great open ice hits but not the best puck handler…he’s been very inconsistent this season at best. And I like him as a player and captain but not at 8m in cap world if Schneider countinues to progress
I am going to argue that if they didn’t have to go through two grueling, 7 game series, they don’t blow 2 games to 0 advantage to Tampa.
Interesting thought:
Gorton and Big Easy crapped the bed regarding the eventual Derbil Ryan Graves, but made up for it by trading up and drafting Braden Schneider away from Newark.
Agree ILB gotta put teams away sooner in early rounds …like 94
Agreed.
The sweep of the AzzDancers by a combined 22-3 score was one of the most lopsided series defeats in NHL history.
I remember watching Game 1 in college in a room full of silent Islanders fans and I was in shock. Should’ve known right there there was something vastly “different” about the 1993-94 team not seen in 83 other seasons of Rangers hockey.
ilb
Impossible sell I agree. We’ll see what happens when this core runs it’s course. Man I sure hope I’m wrong and they win it all. Just not that confident.
ilb
I don’t believe they were going to beat the pens (I hate the pens) and Canes in less then 7. Tampa just locked it down in games 3 through 6 and Vasilevskiy was better than Igor. So that’s that. Still a great fun run!
Lay of the land isn’t like it used to be in pre-lock out pre-division re-alignment days. You’ll never have a mediocre team in the 8th spot for the dominant 1st place team to run out of the building. The East is overflowing with talent and good GMs/coaches. You may get through a series quick like they did when they took out Pitt in 5 a few years back but to get through the first two round at 8-1 would be pretty stunning IMO..
Tampa didn’t lock anything down in game 3. Rangers had a 2-0 lead in that game and led headed into the third. It was theirs to take or give back and they gave it back.
That said, Tampa did what the Rangers couldn’t do from there which was slow them down, keep them to the outside in front of Vazy whole their most important guys stepped up.
I don’t think the Trouba contract is nearly as egregious as others do. I understand there are a lot more things to the nhl game than points. I also understand players have ups and downs.
I also would much rather have a team with Trouba AND Schneider on D than one with just one of them.
In the end, if Schneider gets to the point where he does what Trouba can do better than Trouba to the point he passes him on the depth chart, it’s most likely going to be in a much higher cap league or the end of the Trouba contract.
Until then, it’s a moot point on what he makes because the earliest they can move him is the beginning of the 2024 season.
Again, I prefer both on the rangers, not one.
If there wasn’t a cap I would agree but there is a snow paying 8m could undermine construction of rest of team
Bobby-i get your opinion of his contract, but what are you suggesting?
A trade? Not happening.
A buy-out? He’s got 3 more years left after this one Even if I wanted him off the team, which I don’t, that’s a lot of dead cap space to carry for 6? (i think that’s what it would be) more years. And you’d have to fill that spot in the lineup.
Come on James
Lock down, slow down, shut down, keep to the outside I believe we’re saying the say thing.
If the situation between now and when the cap goes up significantly is so hindered by a contract, they’ll have to move fox or Lindgren and Goodrow (don’t see that being necessary nor recommended imo)
If it’s after the cap goes back up and they want to clear significant space, the logical, smart move is a winger with a bigger contract when you consider the organizational depth at wing, not a righty D.
Again, completely moot point with any significant contract until summer of 2024.
94 Islanders were only 36-36-12, but were essentially the same team that went to conference finals, losing to the eventual SC Champion Montreal Canadiens.
They were t as good as the Rangers, but were no pushovers either.
I’m not suggesting anything this y at but after this season his contract gets problematic. They may have to wait until 2024 to go the McDonough route and force things
They have $17.5 MM committed to Trouba and Fox and Lindgren, Miller and Shneider will cost them at least $15 MM on their next contracts. If you add $2-3 MM for a 6th and 7th D that’s about $35MM on the back line as a minimum. Unless the cap goes up a lot over the next couple of seasons I don’t think can keep all these guys. Lindgren and then Trouba may be on the move eventually.
Hopefully they get better returns than they did for Buch.
https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2023/01/nhl-rumors-panthers-have-plan-to-move.html
🤷🏻♂️
Bennett brings the physical play down the the middle they need, but say goodbye to Chytil.
Good morning, boneheads!
Just realized they aren’t playing today. Lazy bums.
The problem with a trade with the Panthers is they are looking to open up cap space and aren’t in a position to retain salary which the Rangers may need them to do. The Rangers would have to involve a third team and to complete this trade. Chytil will likely make close to what Bennett ($4.45 MM AAV) is making next year. I think the Panthers would be looking for picks or guys on ELCs or at least lower salaries. Kravtsov and a 1st? Again I don’t favor these trades unless their play between now and deadline shows them to be a true contender. Right now I’m still a skeptic. As much as Dolan wants the revenue from a playoff series, emptying the cupboard to get the 2nd WC just insures a decade of mediocrity.
think that Panthers would move Hornvqvist before Bennett especially if they think they have playoff shot….Kravstov and a 1st for benefit is an overpay
Would love to add Bennett, but I don’t think the Rangers and Panthers are a match because of the cap reasons that ORF mentioned above.
I think hornqvist is on LTIR, not sure when he’s eligible to come off of it. It would make sense for them to move him at sone point since he’s in the last year of his deal I believe.
Bennett makes around 4.5 I think for another 2 or 3 years. Term and cap hit aren’t bad a later first round pick and an ok prospect like kravtsov isn’t much of an overpay “IF” the organization thinks its a fit.
He not the ideal option but that’s the type of player imo they need in that third line centre spot.
or the Rangers trade for the Staal brothers and Coos loses it!
Bwahahaha!! Brilliant Bobbyo!
Panthers need defensive help. For all the excitement of acquiring Tkachuk I think some may undervalue what they lost in Weeger.
I look at that roster and I say to myself there’s at least three if not four players I would take off that roster if building a team. I think the Rangers are the better team but similarly with Florida, there just isn’t much there once you get past the big names/contracts.
Good ol Mackenzie river weegar
Panthers need to move or buy out Brobovsky..more likely the latter
Bennett is 26, plays physical, has some scoring touch and costs $4.2M for two more seasons after this. As a third line center? Sounds pretty good to me. Drury should be looking for a third team to make it happen.
Fred > Bennett
not sure why they need 3rd team involved with their picks and younger assets …his cap hit will be lower at deadline ..don’t want to subtract from current roster if they can help it for playoffs .
He is not just a rental. They’ll have to fit his $4+M for another 2 years. Third team to retain some salary
Going forward he simply slides into the Chytil spot as a similar cost player (again, after this season) but a far better nhl player and fit.
You make that happen asap whether it takes a 3rd team or not.
Should have added Bennett prior to Florida doing it…but you know…hedgehog
Understood but they could address after season based on decisions with some of younger players
If my math serves me correctly…I think the rangers as of today should have in the high 2s or low 3s range of cap space.
Projected out to around 7 mil at deadline I believe?!
I don’t think there’s too many decisions to be made about young players at this point.
What do you use to cut a Roman Emperor’s hair? Ceasers.
36.6 in 6 forwards
21.4 in 4 D
5.7 shesty
63.7 (10 skaters 1 goaler)
Kakko 2.1
65.8 out of 83.5 cap (low estimate if just $1 mil increase)
18.7 (or 20.8 if no kakko) to add 6 (or 7 if no kakko) forwards, 3 D, and a goalie.
Just rough numbers to help folks keep reality in the convo.
Chytil is still a decision
Imo he isn’t at all…between the Trocheck term and $$$ and Chytil needing a new contract versus his role and all around in ice play.
You take Bennett all day everyday (as an example) in that role at his contract versus Chytil in that role for the same contract.
Again, $$$ and name example only…more about the type of player and role and $$$$$ vs on ice all around contribution.
Do you see anyone who will need a big raise next season? Miller?
Maybe …unless Drury thinks he can bridge him or think he’s a better fit on wing
Ilb
I don’t think anyone should get anything like a ridiculous jump etc, but I guess it depends on what everyone considers a big jump.
I think miller will get around Lindgren $$$.
I think laffo will get a bridge deal (which I think is a bad idea but they don’t really have a choice). I think it will be a bit more than the Chytil and kakko deals because he’s been more productive and is a better player than they are. Maybe in the 2.5-3 range.
Who knows what kravtsov will ask for but the winger depth within the organization is good enough that whatever it is there’s a guy that will be better than him for less most likely ready…Othman would be my guess. Not sure it matters because you’d think kravtsov is gone by the deadline anyhow, if not drury has a lot of explaining to do lol.
Chytil doesn’t make sense at any price at this point. With the Trocheck addition, role at that spot etc, as long as he is there it creates ripple effect issues, so to me his $$$ are irrelevant. I’d guess he tries to come in at 3.5-4 but a lot depends on how the rest of his season goes as well as if he’s still here past the deadline.
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I think Miller will get a bridge similar to Chytil/Kakko numbers. Lafreniere will be bridged as well, but clearly not at the $$$$ of 1OA. Kravtsov and Gauthier aren’t getting too much raise. Blais will either take a pay cut or will be gone. They can’t afford to pay $1.5M to 4th liner, unless it’s a center.
Can’t say that Laffy has been more productive that Chytil or Kakko this year or is a better player at this point
Pretty similar numbers, Wicky. Either way, there is nothing earthshattering there that would require getting rid of any significant players.
Ilb
Agree. I also agree on blais. He takes a cut or moves on. Gauthier would be a nice bring back guy for around the $1 mil per.
Bobbyo
He’s been more productive in his first, what will be 3 years, than the others and is a better all around player than them as well in that time span. All of that is exactly what we were talking about in regards to next contract.
He’s as good a player as the others now and better than they were at the 3 nhl year point of their respective careers.
The numbers that have been posted here a few times over the past few months have shown the first 3 nhl seasons comp.
No need for anyone to give up a first for Bennett when Florida is trying to clear cap space. These trades tend to heavily favor the receiving team.
Gravy
Absolutely. You’d like to think drury, or any gm for that matter, go in low to start and try to give as little as possible in the end.
I just meant at the end of the day due to the term etc, even if you had to give up the first and kravtsov it’s not an over pay.
not my eye test but I’ve had same disagreement with James on that ..pulling for Laffy to take it up a notch sooner rather than next year
Drury had a very good deadline last year…keep the faith boys
Eye test?
just don’t think he’s as good or better than Kakko or Chytil now based on what I see
Ah
I’ve realized long ago that eye tests differ quite a lot depending on the viewer.
Not a good or bad thing, just different lol.
I wonder what Preds are gonna do at deadline… Jeannot is having down year and on 4th line …would like to see him in NY
Yeah, I mentioned Jeannot last year too.
Love the player and the fit.
He’d be a great add imo!
I would like to see Chytil permanently on the wing just don’t know where he would fit.
It get him off the dot and reduces his defensive responsibilities. Where does he slot in? 3RW?
would guess 2nd or 3rd line winger …doesn’t fit on 4th
Gravy people like to include a first rounder for everyone
Kevin P. Hayes back on the trade block….annnd go
Hard NO! to purple Hayes.
lol agreed, ORF. He’s exactly what some of us knew he would be. Overpaid 3C who can net you 35-45 points a year. Heart goes out to him about the loss of his brother but there’s no need for a reunion tour considering his health and his current status
James woukdmyiundo a Hayes reuni J if he gets bought out and price is reasonable?
A lot of people seem to want to jettison Chytil. I sure as hell don’t. He is starting to play with confidence. He is big , can skate and has a laser like wrist shot. Then again I could be wrong….after all what this team clearly needs is another Sammy Blaise. You just can’t have enough of those guys. There great in the locker room and would also really look great in a court jester hat.
Unfortunately, knowing the Rangers as I do they are going to jettison more than a few of the young guys and we will pissing and moaning over for….well….”a lifetime”.
Quote attributed to the Rangers latest curse Sam Rosen. Thanks buddy….I picked my champagne when he said and I still feel sick.
Should say picked my champagne. I need a full time editor.
Once again puked. Spell check apparently wants to think for me.
BobbyO if Philly retained 50% of his salary it’s not a bad option but there are better ones out there. Hayes is still week at the dot and just hasn’t seemed the same since losing his brother. Not to mention the injuries
Good morning, boneheads!
Rich, I don’t think anyone is trying to jettison Chytil. I, too, think that he hasn’t reached his full potential, especially his offensive side. Drury will have to make a decision regarding where Chytil fits. Zibanejad and Trocheck are here to stay. His contract situation complicates it as well. He is only 23 but will become an UFA in 2 years. So his next contract is very important. They will need to qualify him at $2.6M. He will fetch much more than that if it goes to arbitration. Do they give him a long term deal and pay for a few of his UFA years, or do they give him another bridge (between $4 and $5M) and risk losing him to UFA thereafter. If he stays, someone will need to go. Or do they decide to trade him? If they do, I believe they can get a good haul for him because of what you mentioned about his skillset.
Where is Beezle?
Shayna and Don at The Athletic ran their model on Ranger players and put Chytil’s market value at $4.6 MM. I take it with a cup of salt since they put Trouba at $1.5 and Goodrow at $1.4, but, it is two people’s somewhat educated guess at what he might get at arbitration. Their other big overpay was Panarin who they had at $8.4 MM. I kind of agree with that one and their analysis does for what it’s worth validates the reality that when you sign guys as UFAs you overpay.
Please someone, make sure Wicky doesn’t see that Chytil’s market value is higher than Trouba’s and Goodrow’s 🙂
ORF-I think this blog placed Chytil at the same numbers for his next contract as Athletic did. I also think that if they want to buy his UFA years, it’ll be higher. He’ll probably score 20+ goals and 40-45 points this season.
Yeah where is Beezle?
those Chytil numbers make Hayes look attractive!
It doesn’t matter what anyone outside of the rangers organization puts as values on players whether it’s the athletic or here or anywhere else.
Fwiw, Shayna and Dom are notorious game on paper analytics people that have been wrong a lot more than they’ve been right. As Ilb correctly pointed out, there are folks here that get it right more than them.
I heard from Beezle over the holidays, seemed to be fine just busy. It happens.
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One guy worth 1.4?
The other guy worth 4.6?
Plus those STATS don’t show that one guy is a top pker, and a game closer. I’m not sure what valuable is anymore.
Speaking of the blog, for years….and I mean years…damn near a couple of decades even…despite all the changes and adjustments in the nhl game etc, a few folks here long ago said you’ve got to have a mix of play styles in your players and your team has to be able to play more than one style of game…it still rings true, that’s never going to change.
I walk my own dogs – from the counter at Walter’s to the car.
Mollie: “Fox having a stellar season with 40 points. K’Andre Miller not far behind with 20.” Is she (and others) paid cash under the table for this ridiculous and on-going propaganda?
Kudos to TCU for keeping it close against the Crimson Tide, 65-7.
Dom said the Goodrow signing made them worse when they signed him. He must be tweaking his model to confirm his bias. His model works well for a baseball team where if you have the best player at each position you win. Not so good for hockey where players have to fit roles on a team.
The model also seems to say Chytil is better defensively than Goodrow which makes no sense.
Not sure how much math Molly took in school. The interesting stat to me is Schneider is 2nd in goals among the D playing 3rd pair minutes and no PP time. There’s room to grow there.
Molly, Dom and Shayna should start a podcast …to talk about statistics ..not hockey
I thought TCU played Georgia?
Bull…Dawg!
LOL Dom..
Another one of these “professional insiders” that sleep with a bottle of hand cream and a list of small skill players that can skate really fast on his nightstand. I say boil them in oil like George Carlin suggested once..
“If you look at the top 147 players that have logged at least 13 minutes and 4.3 seconds in the third period of every 8th loss you’ll clearly see that Goodrow has a 4.258000003% on ice consistency that tops the bottom 4 teams of every 7th season over the last 50 years. He’s really of no value to the team”
Goodrow skating around with the Cup above his head two years in a row: “What, Dom?”
IS it still a Jamesgeau if it’s me that does it? asking for a friend.
Crimson ghost..Crimson tide…Ryan Graves…Michael Graves…I feel like there’s room for Misfits references but we keep falling short…kind of like the Rangers…
It’s been months since I’ve been able to do this…I guess this thing still isn’t on..
Yeah, it is 🙂
Zuccy homecoming tonight will excite them!
How about Reaves?
He’s to slow.
Reaves? He to slow.
Reaves will hit Kravtsov and send him to the locker room for the night.
He would have to hit him in the locker room
M.T. Graves. Look that up?
Are they stealing bodies?
They’re in the Dungeon. But I may be the only one on the blog that knows what I’m talking about without the help of google.
Wild a big/heavy team playing well …including Kiprisov and Zucc but they don’t look very deep down the middle ..They have Sam Steele playing 1C…. this place is going nuts talking about 3C … Minnesota blogs must be really fun
Bad feeling about tonight.
Reavo is now the enemy and seems to be out for blood.
It wouldn’t be a stretch to say he’ll go out of his way to run someone. Not sure if he wore out his welcome in the locker room or what, but he’s throwing down challenges knowing that nobody on our roster will dare drop the mitts with him…
Boys better have their heads up and get rid of the puck quickly in the corners without coughing it up…
Just checking if you’re paying attention, Wick. 🙂
If he was more like that with Rangers maybe he would still be on the team
…because no one else is.
Bobbyo,
Oh trust me, I wasn’t advocating keeping him around just to watch him throw a few checks and consistently lag behind the play while sucking down air.
I will say this, however…. After building a tougher team to play against, it seems as if Drury has, for better or worse, course-corrected.
Come playoff time, will this team have enough heaviness to get through 4 rounds? This is why I don’t want a deadline acquisition like Kane.
With you on that Craig…thats why Sammy needs to stay in lineup and why Drury needs to bring in a big forward
A tip of the cap to Harpur IF he answers the bell vs Reaves 2nite.
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How will they eff up the 3 on 3 this time?