Game Day!

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The other one was getting too long. There is some good discussion going all morning long, so let’s continue here. Don’t forget, the game is at 6. Go Time post at 5:30. Got it, 4ever? 🙂

186 responses to “Game Day!”

  1. Bdl Avatar
    Bdl

    I object!

  2. Bdl Avatar
    Bdl

    New post, who else can I trade?

  3. ilb2001 Avatar
    ilb2001

    They’ve been accumulating assets/youngsters/draft picks for a few years. Time to use it and improve. Do you trust Gorton?

  4. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    Carped

    Don’t underestimate Quinn’s grit. He’s old-time hockey, but he hasn’t been given the horses.

  5. tomk19 Avatar
    tomk19

    Vince Z. Mercogliano
    @vzmercogliano
    ·
    1m
    Confirmed: Kinkaid starting tonight. #NYR

  6. Bdl Avatar
    Bdl

    Ilb,
    I trust Gorton. I don’t trust Quinn.

  7. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    Quinn good. Gorton bad.

  8. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    I’ll say it, Miller is like a better skating version of staal when it comes to his defencive game!

  9. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    Gorton’s of Gloucester. The perfect Strome.

  10. SN Avatar
    SN

    Rubenesque!!

  11. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    Am I the only one who sees Miller as somewhat disinterested? Hope I’m wrong.

  12. James G Avatar
    James G

    BDL we haven’t traded Chytil in a while. And as we keep saying he’s the guy that goes if you commit to Strome and plan to fill the 3C spot with someone more traditional.

  13. James G Avatar
    James G

    Wicky I liked Staal before he lost an eye and suffered 14 concussions in 5 years lol

  14. tomk19 Avatar
    tomk19

    Miller seemed to be very careful at the start of the season. Kept it simple and didn’t try to do too much. I’m guessing the coaches have turned him loose and he’s been getting caught,(sometimes way), out of position. It’s also led to him lunging and falling.

  15. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    As far as tough guys etc…you guys are saying what I’ve been saying for years and years about playable toughness and the need for it, but it has to be throughout the line up, not just your 6th D or 12th forward.

    It has to be guys that are not only willing to throw but hit and hit hard when they body check and with a nasty enough disposition that they are willing to engage in scrums etc after the whistle (willing to throw doesn’t mean they have to excel at it just be willing).

    And the most important thing of all is you need a coach that doesn’t penalize players for taking aggression penalties…if you have a coach that does, it’s over before it starts and you’ll neuter every player that is playable tough.

  16. James G Avatar
    James G

    I like that he always looks pissed off. None of that cheery rookie smiley stuff. Come to the arena in a bad mood. Brood in the locker room. It’s like the old Max Baer routine.

  17. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    James
    Staal just didn’t have bite to his game on most nights, Miller is a big guy with no bite…

  18. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    For years on this blog you saw poster after poster complain that the d is just poke poke poke instead of taking the body…Miller is a poke poke poke guy.

  19. bobbyo2019 Avatar
    bobbyo2019

    Missing…playable toughness forwards 1-9 …Gorton/JD knows

  20. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    I’m not saying Miller is bad, far from it. It’s just on a day that folks are revved up about physicality etc I was pointing out he’s not overly physical.

  21. bobbyo2019 Avatar
    bobbyo2019

    Willie Huber-Miller?

  22. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    If you left Staal alone, he’d leave you alone. He’d uselessly go to his knees and slide around in front of our netminder like a distressed walrus unless you slammed him around , at which time he would take offense and actually take the body.

  23. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Bobbyo
    If DQ. Knows he has a funny way of showing it with his ice time distribution and benching.

    If Gorton knows it, he has a funny way of showing it with his player acquisitions and call ups.

    I actually think JD does know it based on his reaction to the Schneider draft pick…that’s playable toughness.

  24. St Pete Eli Avatar
    St Pete Eli

    I don’t trade Chytil he’s gonna be good. I believe Gorton has a plan I just don’t think he knows what it is yet. I’ll say it again Quinn needs to go he’s over his head. I have no doubt he will end up being a good NHL coach. He’s just not there at present do the Rangers take the chance and wait or move forward with the rebuild and bring in an experienced coach? I want to see
    Lafreniere Chytil Kravtsov and let them sink or swim.
    James
    I am concerned about Panarin. But I’m just an old Minx that doesn’t go out much anymore what do I know anyway I live in Florida.

  25. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    Q actually believed he could educate, train, and win with talented, but fuzzy-faced kids. So did Management. Older, smarter candidates knew better.

  26. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Bdl
    You don’t trade Lindgren. While fox is obviously capable of being a great player with anyone, it’s clear there is a rarity in that pair that should not be messed with.

    While every single player is tradeable, Lindgren should be on that short list of rangers that is as close to untouchable as it gets…

  27. Beezle Avatar
    Beezle

    You listen to everything but I would have a hard time including Lindgren in any trade. We finally have what seems to be a solid D pair and you guys are ready to break it up because there might be some kids coming up someday who might eventually be better by some nebulous criteria.

  28. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    I think you will see the Lindgren fox level dynamic in a Robertson Schneider pairing as well. That same kind of chemistry and clicking as a pair.

    I would not move either one of those guys at this point either.

  29. Beezle Avatar
    Beezle

    lol Wicky types faster than me

  30. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Beezle 100%

  31. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Beezle
    Lol…that’s the first time anyone has ever said that 😉

  32. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    You deal assets like nils, Jones, chytil, draft picks, etc

  33. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    If Biden’s given up on that snarling dog and sent him back to Delaware, why not put in an offer for him as our 6 D?

  34. Beezle Avatar
    Beezle

    Having a goon or even a ‘heavy weight’ really does not do much to deter other teams taking liberties with your players. Hasn’t for a long time.

    And this Geersten guy isn’t even that big – 6’4 216? Goaty is 6’4 227.

  35. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Speaking of draft picks, I absolutely agree and think the lottery system needs to be changed and limitations should be put on the number of lottery picks a team can get in a certain time period.

  36. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    Ali fought admirably at 212.

  37. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    Marciano wasn’t even 190.

  38. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Beezle
    That’s just it, it’s not about a goon, never has been IMO nor should it be. That’s why you take a Simon over a McGratton 10 times out of 10.

  39. bobbyo2019 Avatar
    bobbyo2019

    I think Gorton knows Wick …since he has said it on several occasions…I think next trade deadline will tell us.

  40. Beezle Avatar
    Beezle

    Goaty may be big but he’s a lover, not a fighter

  41. Admiral Akbar Avatar
    Admiral Akbar

    I don’t think you touch

    Fox, Lindgren, Lafreniere.

    You *may* consider trading:

    Chytil, Kakko, Miller, Buchnevich

  42. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Bobbyo
    Gorton has said it…I’ve learned with Gorton he’s a spin doctor…we’ll see the kind of players he adds next and the kind of players he gets rid of to acquire those players.

    We’ll see who gets protected in the expansion draft as well.

  43. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    Brodeur is available in the trouser expansion draft.

  44. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    #12 in that clip was pathetic; then again, he did a pretty good job of avoiding knuckles.

  45. Beezle Avatar
    Beezle

    Admiral Buch is a difficult call. He’s on pace for a better year than last, which was better than the prior and based on last and this one, a 20-23g/35-40A type of winger. Has added the PK to his game.

    Using the full 18/19 season, there were only 15 RW with 65pts or more, 27 with 50 or more. 17/18 looks nearly the same. So Buch may not be ‘elite’ but he is not chopped liver either.

  46. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    chopped liver is a delicacy in some circles. 🙂

  47. O'cooscoos Avatar
    O’cooscoos

    Speaking of McGratton, I remember when he post-fight patted McIlrath on the azz for having the gonads to challenge him.

  48. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    The no touch list for me is…

    Panarin, kakko, Lafrenière, Lindgren, fox, Robertson, Schneider, Trouba, coolie, shesty, Miller, Lemieux (just for peanut butter;))

  49. bobbyo2019 Avatar
    bobbyo2019

    you guys are gonna go nuts when they protect Howden

  50. SN Avatar
    SN

    Buch issue is cap hit and term for production that is a second line forward when taking in his entire game.
    PK is a throw in, not a reason you keep a top 6 forward .

  51. Gravy Avatar
    Gravy

    I think Fox and Lindgren allow each other to play and elevate their game, so I wouldn’t move either.

  52. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    he may end up being a wing, but hard to trade chytil right now unless it’s in a deal for a no doubt young #1 center, but even then it would be tuff to do as then likely need to acquire a 2nd and 3rd line center in short order thereafter

    Laf has some bite in his game which is good to see. never gonna be a fighter (which is a good thing) or huge checker, but looks like someone who won’t shy away either

  53. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    absent trades that free up more slots and/or bring back forwards more worthy of protecting, i’d leave lemeuix o howden exposed without losing any sleep over it. but more likely it’s Gauthier left exposed. and i’m not sure Gauthier will ever make it here, but at least see some upside with him, the other two not really at all

  54. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Chytil should be a wing, it’s his best chance to be nhl relevant.

    He doesn’t have the 200’ or faceoff acumen to play centre and he isn’t enough of an offencive force to be able to ignore the first two things to be a centre.

  55. bobbyo2019 Avatar
    bobbyo2019

    if they trade Strome or Buch for futures they can protect Gauthier

  56. jpp Avatar

    Gotta say boys, I’m looking forward To reading this mornings thread. I just took a look, we had PB in the house and a lot of back Nd forth.

    Better than any subscription soaked articles about the rangers, better than any info rangers related on the intrawwbs period

    . That I know before reading

  57. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    That said, he’s redundant wing depth so he’s one of the best trade chips the rangers have, especially if he’s going to a team where they have 200’ centre depth that allows the weaker part of his game to be tolerated.

    Rangers don’t have that.

  58. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    may be right in the end wick, but until a better option comes along no reason to not let him try and learn the position still

  59. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Of the 3, at this point and time, and being a howden fan…I protect Gauthier and Lemieux.

  60. James G Avatar
    James G

    I haven’t posted in hours because now that Wick is back he’s gotten across every point I want to make.

  61. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Pete
    Don’t disagree. He’s the best option on the roster at this point.

    He’d be one of the key pieces along with nils in the eichel deal IMO.

  62. jpp Avatar

    Geersten was called up.

    Hey tubbie Ritchie, hope your having a good week, see ya soon.

    Let’s see how big you are. That goes for the lot of them.

    Geertsen isnt any army, but something’s tells me One of the bruins is gonna get it.

  63. SN Avatar
    SN

    Flip is a winger – need to cultivate that part of his game. Stubbornness and wishful thinking keeping him in middle but he is still young.
    Looks better with defensively responsible center covering for his Dzone foibles.
    Goat Boy may forever be a tease; lots of skill, not enough ‘will’

  64. James G Avatar
    James G

    You give Gauthier to a coach like Torts or Darryl Sutter and they turn him into Dustin Brown. Instead he’s a 6’4 230lb drifter

  65. James G Avatar
    James G

    If Chytil is a wing then where does the experiment/ try out end? When you commit to Buch long term? when Kravtsov arrives? There’s getting to be limited room at the Inn.

  66. Old Ranger Fan Avatar
    Old Ranger Fan

    So is this to set up a Tnordi vs. Geersten matchup? Pens don’t have a goon. They just beat the Rangers off the rush.

  67. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    This is interesting…..

    The Athletic’s Dom Luszczyszyn’s model sets Strome’s next contract’s market value at $5.7 million a season on average and Zibanejad’s at $7.8 million

  68. bobbyo2019 Avatar
    bobbyo2019

    bye bye 2C Stromeo

  69. James G Avatar
    James G

    He’s a hack, Wicky. I’ve been saying Mika-boo is going to come in around 7.75 for months ; )

  70. James G Avatar
    James G

    Maybe now SN will stop asking if I’d sign him for 13.5 million per for the next 12 years…. 😀

  71. James G Avatar
    James G

    ORF I think it’s about pounding in whatever skulls are within 50* feet of Geertsen several times for the remainder of the games against Boston.
    I have my own perspective on all this. I’d send him out there and have him skate through Rask’s crease on the first shift of the game. Get him riled up get Marchand in a tizzy. set the tone.

  72. James G Avatar
    James G

    gotta watch those zeros. 500 feet is a BIG azz rink 😉

  73. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    That’s only slightly higher than what I thought strome would make, but that is low for what I thought Meeka would get.

  74. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Good to see Darius getting a start tonight.

  75. SN Avatar
    SN

    Mika at $8×7 is a cap killer
    Stromeo at 5.5×6 is intriguing
    .
    Prefer upgrades to both but from where

  76. cregg7 Avatar
    cregg7

    If geertsen is a forward I put him in for Howden and let roony be 4th center

    Chytil should be ready to resume 3 C now. Or just have any winger take the faceoff if it’s an upper body issue.

  77. James G Avatar
    James G

    Strome’s on pace for 28-32-60 over an 82 game season. Probably not a realistic totals but that’s first line center production.

    Buch same thing. Career year stats that you see in a contract season. We know the player. The thing with Buch is his intangibles are valuable to this team

  78. James G Avatar
    James G

    Strome’s shooting % this season is 15% btw. Wherever Doodie is he’s annoyed.

  79. James G Avatar
    James G

    Geertsen-Rooney-Gauthier. It’ll be like one of those deli sandwiches where’s there way too much bread and not enough meat in the middle.

  80. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    James absent trading krav and chytil i don’t think they should sign buch longterm, can’t afford to allocate cap $ to a winger who will be 3rd line whiting the next season or two. should move him this offseason

  81. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Strome’s scoring rate so far this season is 3.9%, slightly below the rate of 4.3% he had last year …depending on what you consider strome to be as a nhl player 1C, 2C, 3C? That’s a decent rate.

  82. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Heat maps!!!!!

  83. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    James that’s great 2nd line production but weak for a 1st line center. he’s been a good player for us but do we really want him from 6 years starting at age 29? if we had more rugged 1st line center option than mika than maybe you’d live with that, but mika and strome isn’t very imposing come playoff time

  84. James G Avatar
    James G

    I’d be bummed to see him go, Pete. But I get it. Laf, Kakko, Buch, Kravtsov, Chytil, Gauthier can’t all be part of the plan. Something is going to have to give sooner or later.

  85. James G Avatar
    James G

    As for Strome, I think they made it clear they aren’t looking to commit to him long term so there really isn’t much to debate. I think on a properly constructed roster he’s a great addition.

  86. James G Avatar
    James G

    Shesty back at practice. No snipers up in the rafters reported.

  87. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    agree there james

  88. James G Avatar
    James G

    Mika at $8×7 is a cap killer

    ……Because you don’t like Mika..

  89. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    He’s back at practice, rangers organization reported to have several Oscar awards on hand.

  90. James G Avatar
    James G

    What do people who hate Zibanejad think is a fair deal? 2.5 million per for 4 years? THERE’S MORE TO THE STORY THAN POINTS…..Unless we’re talking about the last two first round picks. Then it’s all about points! #STUTZLE!

  91. James G Avatar
    James G

    They should trade all 3 for Eichel. That’ll right the ship.

  92. cregg7 Avatar
    cregg7

    Mika is probably Someone u sign

    Need a 1C.
    He will find his game.
    He has private to be a 1C for multiple years. He is in a weird situation right now. Like Yellich last year with the covid shortened season in baseball

    MVP caliber player for 2 or 3 years who turned into someone I wanted to drop after picking him first overall in fantasy.

    Watch him return right to form with the next “normal” season.

  93. cregg7 Avatar
    cregg7

    Proven. Not private. Ugh

  94. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Meeka is a tough call. He’s injury prone, marginal on draws, not very physical, and offencively gifted (normally).

    So what’s that worth? If you have a variety of centre types in your line up (here’s an example)

    Meeka
    Henrique
    Bennett
    Paquette

    Well, Meeka and his style is worth more imho with that centre depth.

    If it’s…

    Meeka
    Keller
    Chytil
    Howden

    He’s worth less in this scenario.

  95. SN Avatar
    SN

    Meeka will be 29 when contract is signed; given prior injuries and this year’s complete FUBAR, not sure what his market value is, but it is a very risky go forward. Will be very hard to replace as well.
    .
    Tis a puzzlement!

  96. SN Avatar
    SN

    James – will Salmon Joe talk up Laffy’s 2 game pointless streak now like they hype up every time he wipes after taking a big poo in the potty?

  97. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    The Meeka vs eichel thing is interesting because they are similar in a lot of ways. I think eichel is more talented than Meeka, question is..is that talent gap vs salary gap (if there is one) worth it?

    If Meeka makes $8 mil per vs eichel at $10 mil per…which is better?

  98. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    Geertsen nickname

    STONES

  99. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    Wick,

    The guy who is available to play every night

  100. SN Avatar
    SN

    Brassard with more points this season than Meeka now; who won that trade?? I keed, I keed…

  101. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Meeka at the $5.3 per he makes now is a very good deal, Meeka getting north of $7 mil per into $8 mil or almost doubled at $10 mil per…I’d be leaning towards eichel in that scenario.

    What you give up for eichel also comes into play, if it’s nils or chytil or draft picks in some combo plus, you do it at the drop of a hat and don’t look back. If it’s kakko, Miller, or fox etc, then it’s a different story to a certain degree.

  102. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    I’d say Miller is playing smart and safe and just bc he doesn’t have much of a physical element to his game today, doesn’t mean he won’t in the future.

    I’d be curious how Seth Jones looked as a rookie in comparison

  103. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    I wouldn’t trade Miller in an Eichel deal.

    To me there are 5 untouchables right now, due to skill, age, and need/culture.

    Fox
    Kakko
    Laffy
    Miller
    Lindgren

  104. James G Avatar
    James G

    Mika or Eichel may come down to what’s worth more? Saving 3 million per or having a guy who is 6 years younger? Eichel is more talented but is 3 millon dollars a year more talented?

  105. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    James
    Exactly my point.

  106. Peanut Butter Avatar
    Peanut Butter

    Playable toughness = grit+courage+determination +skill

  107. St Pete Eli Avatar
    St Pete Eli

    Rangers aren’t getting Eichel for anything less than Lafreniere or Krakko and + + + +! But it may be an easy way to get rid of Clark and Gorton. Quinn is already gone just a matter of when?

  108. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    Two from the bunch below:
    Nils
    Kravtsov
    Jones
    Robertson

    One guy off our bottom 6

    One guy off our top 6 (non untouchable or NMC guy) (if they want two, kravtsov isn’t available)

    2021 1st
    2022 1st/2nd conditional

    That’s what Buffalo is choosing from if I’m GM

  109. Peanut Butter Avatar
    Peanut Butter

    Playable toughness = (grit+courage+determination +skill)x size

  110. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    I think your wrong minx.

    Buffalo isn’t getting that kind of return from anyone, so no way the rangers offer that. Buffalo needs to trade him before his NMC kicks in summer of 22 and his value plummets.

    And no ones gonna offer up that quality of return like a laffy or kakko.

  111. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    If I’m Buffalo I’m going for

    2021 1st rd pick
    2022 1st rd pick
    Chytil
    Nils
    Jones
    Pajunemi
    Gauthier or Howden
    And Hajek

    That’s 4 guys straight into the lineup
    Chytil, nils, hajek, gauthier or Howden.

    The 2021 1st might be top 10 or higher.

    And 3 additional prospects in Jones, pajunemi, and the 22 1st

    8 pieces

  112. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    My reasoning for Buffalo avoids

    Buch bc of his UFA status and possibility he doesn’t want to re-sign

    Kravtsov for the prospect of staying in the KHL.

    Chose nils bc of his familiarity with dahlen and the fact he might pair with him.

  113. SN Avatar
    SN

    Remember when Tage Thompson was considered the big return off of the O’Reilly trade..

  114. James G Avatar
    James G

    Tage Thompson aka the other Robert Thomas

  115. James G Avatar
    James G

    Yeah before the Rangers give up Miller, Kakko, Laf Mika and a 1st Rounder in 2022-2024 I’d like to know just what other teams are offering the Sabres.

  116. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    St Pete
    I think that’s reaching. Buffalo is not working from a position of strength here, and it’ll get worse for them if they don’t move him in the next few months when his nmc kicks in.

  117. cregg7 Avatar
    cregg7

    If that’s the ask it’s a big fat no

  118. Gravy Avatar
    Gravy

    Normally, I’d say having the fixed $10M cost for Eichel through prime years and an escalating cap wouldn’t bother me too much. However, with a flat cap, it’s a bit more of a concern.

    You also can’t hesitate saying you don’t want to pay Mika $8M because of this year, but then ignore that completely when talking about Eichel. Eichel had 3 good years, 2 great ones (last year shortened and points aren’t the only thing that matters), and he’s not great defensively or at faceoffs, and he’s a career minus player. Sound familiar?

    That said, one for one, I trade Mika for Eichel even at current salaries. But now, you’d be trading Mika (by proxy), and at least one A prospect and picks. I just don’t think Eichel is panacea for the center situation.

  119. Gravy Avatar
    Gravy

    Sorry, Wick, the centRE situation.

  120. Peanut Butter Avatar
    Peanut Butter

    Eichel smeichel

  121. James G Avatar
    James G

    Gravy with the exception of Wicky, myself and a handful of others, this Eichel thing boils down to trading Mika for no Mika. Not trying to be a d*ck but Sn, BDL and a few others didn’t want him here since year 2. They just had to bite their tongues for the majority of the last two years.
    This season has been like wolves on a slaughtered lamb covered in brown gravy lol

  122. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    It’s much more realistic that the deal will involve one or two first round draft picks, 2 or 3 young B level or above prospects/players, an NHL player, and possibly another player to balance out salary (which by my figures is about $2 mil around trade deadline).

  123. James G Avatar
    James G

    And that’s fine btw. Because I didn’t want Tony D on this roster long term or Yesper Fast to get another 5 years at 2 million per or Chytil as the 3C. So I get it. We all have our guys. But man if Eichel came here the belly aching wouldn’t take long to start up.

  124. James G Avatar
    James G

    Panarin-Zibanejad-Kravtsov
    Lafreniere-Eichel-Kakko
    Kreider-Lowry-Barron
    Cuylle-Rooney-Gauthier

    Better or worse?

  125. Peanut Butter Avatar
    Peanut Butter

    I’ll start the bellyaching now.
    10 foot pole x 2

  126. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Much better and not even close.

    The top 6 gets smashed the next couple of years and Meeka is an issue after next year depending on his contract.

  127. James G Avatar
    James G

    Jesus, Wick. spooky level of vibin’ was just going to say word for word. Much better and not even close.

  128. James G Avatar
    James G

    Panarin-Eichel-Kakko
    Lafreniere-Strome-Buchnevich
    Kreider-Lowry-Barron
    Cuylle-Rooney-Gauthier

    Better or worse?

  129. James G Avatar
    James G

    My gut tells me that JG wants Eichel and JD doesn’t. And that’s probably why he isn’t already a Ranger.

  130. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    And by not even close I mean leaps and bounds better

  131. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    I think the kind of deal i proposed is how you make it a win for Buffalo without it really hurting us via core players

    Will it hurt losing 3-4 of those guys yes. But based on our depth chart, we can withstand it

  132. James G Avatar
    James G

    Well it’s like you were talking about earlier/yesterday Wick. Gorton has said one thing and done the other.
    That lineup I posted with Eichel and Zibanejad is great from the perspective of it’ll sell merchandise, sell tickets, Rangers years books etc. It’s a regular season lineup.
    Put it up against Boston in the post season and they’ll go 5 maybe 6 games.

  133. bobbyo2019 Avatar
    bobbyo2019

    the problem with keeping Buch or Stromeo is you are not changing the mix of the top 9 with respect to being harder to play against…plus you are probably blocking Kravtsov

  134. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    wick, dont see them moving him until the offseason and eichel’s nmc doesn’t kick-in until the 2022-23 season, so they still have time to figure this out. i think LA would give up Turcotte and at least another one of their center prospects not named Byfield. and if that’s the case we could only beat that offer by including kakko and miller, which i don’t think i do. Chytil, Nils and Kravtsov wouldn’t excite me that much if i’m buffalo, not to mention the 2022 first for us is likely outside of the lottery. and if you are getting eichel to be your 1C they likely need a tougher 2C who can win faceoffs and cheap 3C and 4C, which means moving on from both Mika and Strome

    so unless price drops because eichel holds out or buffalo somehow waits until his NMC kicks in, doesn’t seem like the best move for us. Of course likely nor is extending Mika for 6 or 7 years! So glad we drafted all those defenseman!

  135. St Pete Eli Avatar
    St Pete Eli

    Jpp
    I didn’t say that’s what we should offer. I just think Adams will ask for Laffy or Krakko I might be wrong and as much as they may need to trade him I still think he is overvalued by Adams. And no way would I give up two 1st’s. Chytil, Lundkvist, and a 1st would be the starting point for me.

  136. St Pete Eli Avatar
    St Pete Eli

    If you guys remember I was the one who said the Rangers aren’t winning a Stanley cup with a DJ as the #1 center!

  137. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Pete
    Re your 2C in that scenario behind eichel, that’s exactly my point, glad you’re on board.

  138. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Also, I thought his nmc kicked in before the next season.

    I think it’s hard for a team…any team to beat a deal of meeka, nils, chytil, and hajek plus picks…IMO

  139. St Pete Eli Avatar
    St Pete Eli

    Here’s the bottom line for me I don’t want Eichel in Ranger blue. If Gorton cannot find a better option than JD needs to find a better option for Gorton?

  140. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    That’s 2-3 B level or above prospects, picks, and a roster player with the appropriate salary. Odds and ends can be added obviously

  141. Peanut Butter Avatar
    Peanut Butter

    Absolutely agree, Minx

  142. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    I have zero problem adding a young superstar that’s played on a team that, since he’s been drafted, has changed gms and coaches more than I’ve had meals over the past couple if days. A team that is currently being coached by a soccer guy 😉

  143. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Of course, had they just put an offer sheet in on barzal, these convos about eichel would be moot

  144. James G Avatar
    James G

    Agree. That interview on NHL radio summed it up on Eichel. The real issue in Buffalo is the culture. From owners on down.
    I think the moral of the story is that if they acquired him there’s still work to be done. So you can’t open up several holes on this roster to get him and spend 2 more seasons afterwards trying to fill those holes.
    That’s essentially what happened when they traded for Nash.

  145. James G Avatar
    James G

    OK intermission!

  146. bobbyo2019 Avatar
    bobbyo2019

    if we are emptying the cupboard wait for Barkov

  147. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Bobbyo
    How long do you wait for barkov? What’s the guarantee if you wait on barkov he becomes available?

  148. cregg7 Avatar
    cregg7

    When we traded for nash we didn’t have many assets to trade.

  149. ilb2001 Avatar
    ilb2001

    150 comments already with one hour to go? What do you think this is, a pay for site? I’m starting to regret Wicky is back, about 100 comments are his 😀

  150. ilb2001 Avatar
    ilb2001

    Did I mention I didn’t want Eichel at any cost? 😀
    But if they do trade for him, I believe he and Zibanejad become redundant, and it’s not only because of their combined cap hit. They’ll need a second line center with a completely different game.

  151. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Ilb
    Exactly on both, and my point on both.

  152. bobbyo2019 Avatar
    bobbyo2019

    Wicky , I would wait until off season or next trade deadline for Barkov… Florida will have an idea whether he wants to stay or not by then. I like him lots-lots more than Eichel. In the meantime they should still sign Lowry to firm up middle

  153. St Pete Eli Avatar
    St Pete Eli

    Where is the leadership from Eichel. Eichel, “Why should I put out the effort for an inept organization trade me.” Sorry I don’t want that guy. IMO Great players play great in spite of the circumstances!

  154. ilb2001 Avatar
    ilb2001

    If that’s the case, Chytil becomes a square peg. I don’t believe they’re grooming him to be a winger. And if he is a winger, who is he replacing on the R? Buchnevich? What about Kravtsov ? Kakko?

  155. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Ilb
    I don’t think they know yet on chytil…which compounds the issue…and again, you are repeating what I said earlier 😉

    Try and keep up.

  156. ilb2001 Avatar
    ilb2001

    You don’t really think I have time to read all the crap you wrote, Wicky? 😀
    Besides, I don’t need to. I have a pretty good idea on how you think anyway. 😌

  157. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    Pete

    I feel your overvaluing turcotte

  158. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    Say LA offers Turcotte, Vilardi, a 1st and another prospect. That’s better than Chytil, Nils and hajek plus picks in my opinion. If LA wants eichel they are in control given center depth. one of the reasons i never understood Gorton drafting so many defenseman in the 1st round, especially trading up twice to do so, but never doing the same for a center

    I can’t see buffalo wanting Mika given only 1 year left on deal and can’t see Mika agreeing to be traded to buffalo or resigning there

  159. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    Eichels a stud. We can win with him

  160. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    could be JPP, but seems a safer bet to stick at center than chytil

  161. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    If we are going for barkov you have to wait and hope he’s going UFA

    Florida isn’t trading him PERIOD unless that’s the case

  162. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    St Pete
    He’s been in that organization since he was drafted and towards the end of last season was the first you heard from him.

    Conversely, you’ve heard mcdavid for the last 3 seasons talk about his future in Edmonton.

    They’ve both been in the league the same amount of time and mcdavid has had draisitl.

    Jagr whined about multiple organizations, Seguin did it, Kessel has multiple times, laine, pld…I can go on.

    All of them were in their organizations for far shorter time frames and in less dumpster fire situations than eichel.

    Eichel isn’t my choice but if you have an opportunity to add a player with his ability at a time where your organization has vets in their prime and young stud players on elc’s…you do it.

    You start waiting and all of a sudden your vets are overpaid old guys and the elc guys need new big contracts and you can’t keep everyone and the vicious cycle begins.

  163. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    Safer bet to stick at center yes.

    Don’t know if he will be a better player than chytil and I don’t think the kings will give up quantity and quality like my offers would

  164. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    Ilb, if Buch wants to stay here longterm he realistically needs to sign a 4 or 5 year deal this offseason for around $4m tops, which is below market for his UFA years at least.

    Kakko, Krav and Chytil would be good to great top 3 RW in my opinion, would just need a guy like barron on the 3rd to add toughness and defensive play

  165. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    Lowry is not leaving Winnipeg, save a massive overpayment and that wouldn’t be wise or cap possible

    Again his dad is an assistant coach. He’s a key culture guy there. It’s a dream scenario

  166. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Pete
    You are correct Meeka may indeed not agree to move there, you can substitute strome (as an example) because that is just more assets moving forward because if the sabres are moving eichel they are taking it down to the studs like Detroit and Ottawa and will be asset hoarding.

    You’d think they are doing just that with hall and getting something for him at the deadline.

  167. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    yea that is presumably the goal with hall, but i’m not giving up a 1st for Hall if i’m an opposing GM.

    and agree if they move eichel it’s them starting over, except they will be stuck with skinner’s awful deal!!

  168. bobbyo2019 Avatar
    bobbyo2019

    I’ve never heard Winnipeg and dream in the same sentence before

  169. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    And you’d add an additional piece to the original offer.

    The rangers have the wing and d depth to do it.

    They also have goalie depth and prospects as well to deal with that a lot of folks don’t discuss.

    The rangers could send a handful of B and above prospects and not empty the cupboard or come close.

  170. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    he’ll cost more, but rather to after Danault if we are signing a UFA center this offseason, but that presumes one of strome or mika is gone.

  171. ilb2001 Avatar
    ilb2001

    They think they can rebuild around Dahlin. I have my strong doubts about that route being successful.

  172. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Pete
    Even if it isn’t a first…they’ll probably get that…it’s a couple 2s or 2&3 conditionals like the zucc deal and it’s assets they are accumulating

  173. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    I like danault

  174. St Pete Eli Avatar
    St Pete Eli

    Wicky
    I don’t necessarily disagree I just don’t think Eichel is the guy.

  175. Dan T. Avatar
    Dan T.

    Why do yous guys want Eichel? Didn’t yous see that he’s apparently injury prone!! 😉 https://twitter.com/SabresPR/status/1369317079141277703

  176. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Nhl and Espn sign 7 yr deal

  177. ilb2001 Avatar
    ilb2001

    I forgot what was the reason they moved this game to 6 pm. Anyone? Is it so that they can fit 2 games on NBCSN including Chicago-Dallas? That’s a strong market.

  178. ilb2001 Avatar
    ilb2001

    Really, Wicky. It’s a big deal.

  179. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Dan
    I don’t think everyone wants eichel, he’s just a topic of convo because he’s linked to the rangers by the talking heads that get paid to be talking heads.

    He’s no Colin Blackwell and we all know that!

  180. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    Ilb
    Text message

    Everyone else
    No text message, just love 😘

  181. ilb2001 Avatar
    ilb2001

    That ESPN deal could be a turnaround for the NHL financially. Plus, now they have a base to negotiate with other providers. I know it was in the works, would love to see the numbers. What they were getting from NBC was peanuts compared to other major leagues.

  182. cregg7 Avatar
    cregg7

    Espn? Wonder if that means it will be easier to stream the National games and playoffs for cord cutters since espn is in more packages for cheaper than hunting for places that carry NBCSN and NHLnet which come with blackout issues for NHL TV subscribers?

  183. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    If your a western canadien kid who wants a rabid fan base in a town that loves their hockey team.

    Your a bottom 6 who carved out a core role and are a pillar in the locker room and ohh your dad got added to the coaching staff

    That very easily could be someone’s dream. Although I recognize how a NYer couldn’t fathom it

  184. Wicky Avatar
    Wicky

    I just want the Thorne and clement duo back, my favourite tv calling duo…great memories

  185. jpp Avatar
    jpp

    Trade the package I suggested for eichel.
    Trade Zika for a glass, Krebs, newhook, etc return
    Sign danault as UFA

    That’s called asset management

  186. ilb2001 Avatar
    ilb2001
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