Good afternoon, boneheads!
Sorry I haven’t been around much lately, things are getting busy at the hospital, but in a good way.
In other news, the latest data suggest that between 20%-25% of NYC population has been infected using the serum antibody test. There are many different tests around, none is FDA approved, and it’s up to tests producers to validate them properly. It’s still far from being very reliable, and there are many known questionable results. But looking at what we have, the good news is that the true case fatality rate is much, much lower than what it shows now. The bad news is that we are nowhere near the herd immunity number. Even if it were 40%, it would still not be enough.
I’ve been listening to Cuomo as much I could the last few days. He’s being careful, and he is being calculated. Too careful? Perhaps. But hard to argue his approach. We are reaching some of the required numbers already, so I think this month we will see some movement in terms of opening it up.
Hockey? A few new articles around. A couple by LB, click here, and here. And another one by Carp. I might’ve missed a few.
UPDATE (That didn’t take long): Click here to read another article by LB
250 responses to “Important month ahead of us”
Any consensus on the [range of] per cent herd immunity that will be useful for this particular virus, I wonder?
Probably around 70%. Safe number. Could be less, but it’s still unknown. The estimated R0 for this virus is around 3. Based upon that, the number is around 70%. To compare to some other viruses. Mumps has R0 of 10-12. That requires herd immunity to be at 92%-95%
Another question I have about the herd. 20% is no good, understood, but does it get us anything for the future or is it the same as zero? Is it worth it, in other words, other than to those who are in it (I may be one) and is it a good thing to get herd members out and about?
I think if we knew for sure that the antibodies are protective it would be easier to answer. Most believe they are, very little reason believe this virus follows a different pattern than others. But until we know for sure, how do you tell someone “ok, you have antibodies, you’re now responsible for the highest risk procedures in the hospital, like intubation/extubation”?. I also believe the true number of positives is higher than 20%.
I’m sure I missed a few questions before, apologies to those boneheads. Didn’t ignore you, just had no time.
Thank you and the rest of you for what you are doing.
The last time I checked on Dr. David Katz (a “contrarian”) he was fairly certain he’d had it and was thereby excited he could leave his practice to go to the front lines. Don’t know if that’s how it turned out.
I think Roche is trying to get approved for antibody test that has near perfect sensitivity and specificity. That is very hard to achieve. Usually if you get perfect sensitivity, your specificity goes down, and vice versa
Oh, a couple of more positives. I haven’t had to wear a tie, or a suit for that matter, for a month and a half! Blue scrubs are great. And I only shave twice a week or so. As long as an N95 fits fine, I’m good. 😃
Welcome to my world as a podiatrist, ilb. Not only do I only wear scrubs, I consider a shirt and tie inappropriate and not safe in a Podiatry office. I’ve ruined countless pairs of pants, learning the hard way.
I’ve commented before in my role as Captain Obvious that the virus doesn’t whether it’s being tested for or not, so while I’m a fan of testing and the law of large numbers, I’m yet to be convinced that near-prefect testing on the order of millions is required for us to venture forward. And while you read until your head falls off that if we come out too soon, there will a second wave more dangerous than the first, etc., where is there evidence of a place that’s come out too soon and been slammed? Surely some place has come out too soon, we being human and all. You hear Singapore, but then you go look at the data and, nothing. Similarly Georgia, though early days there. And is there a single kindergarten open anywhere in the United States yet? We are in thrall.
I need to book an appt. with you, Admiral. My wife tells me that for all my hockey- and soccer-playing, I walk like an old man. I tell here it’s *because* of that and…being an old man…but I wouldn’t mind some miracle shoes to tone her down a bit.
Another article by LB, post updated.
To characterize taking an abundance of caution by following the protocols set forth by the CDC as selling fear simply because your town, anecdotally, has not experienced the devastating health effects of this pandemic diminishes the disproportionate risk it presents to minorities, the poor and the people with pre-existing conditions. In fact, it is likely the act of wearing those masks you deem to be so fear-inducing and “absurd” along with other safety measures enacted that lessened the impact of the virus in the area in which you reside. What’s really dangerous is when people such as yourself don’t know what you don’t know and refuse to recognize that these safety measures may not carry any meaning to you but are literally the difference between life and death to the most vulnerable subset of the population. To believe otherwise is a startlingly selfish and narrow-minded viewpoint to hold after more than 60,000 Americans have died in less than two months.
Mister D, my town as you call it is not an anecdote, and the masks came on well after the horse was out of the barn. How are you on the disproportionate effect on minorities and the poor who are now unemployed, not in the tens of thousands but in the millions, and where’s that heading? What is your plan to get out of lockdown, assuming you think it’s a good idea?
And I’d appreciate it if you let go of the “people such as yourself” and “selfish and narrow-minded” stuff and just make your arguments. It’s a trade-off we’re involved with, we make decisions all the time about how much a life is worth in our society, and we have to make them again now–there is no safe way out, no permanent lockdown, no opening everything all at once. Fear of the unknown is a huge factor in my view, and it’s going to take guts for policy-makers to overcome their own fear of appearing to be insensitive (and possibly not re-elected–horrors!) in order to get us back on our feet.
Norm-I’ll turn your question on you. What is your plan and how is it materially different from what Cuomo and other governors are doing? I assume it does not consist of going back overnight to where we were on March 1 and risking exponential growth of the virus. How does it deal with varying conditions between and within states? How do we address older cities (NY, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia) that rely on large mass transit systems to get people to their jobs? The 50 governors are trying to deal with difficult issues and all want to open up their economies. They all so far have taken responsibilities for the results of their decisions. Something that national leadership is unwilling to do. Repeating herd immunity over and over again is not a plan. It’s a complex situation and the solution won’t fit on a bumper sticker.
Stop quarantining the young and healthy, open schools, encourage the young to get outside their homes, open parks, golf courses, beaches, stop this talk of returning to exponential case growth (math nerd observation: there was not much of that) and a return to where we were, until there’s some evidence of that having happened anywhere.
To your last point about taking responsibility, while there has hardly been a parade of governors discussing mistakes they have made, the president, while executing well and listening to his experts, is from the never-apologize, never-explain school, a school I get but don’t like. It’s one thing to say: this is the decision I made given the information I had at hand, and I stand by it. Fine, that’s leadership. But his public throwing team members under the bus, meh. And if things go well in Georgia, he’d better keep his mouth shut—he won’t. His CYA with Gov. Kemp was not good. You back your guys and help them succeed, full stop.
What has the president done other than confuse people and undermine his own CDC’s recommendations?
All of the leadership has come from governors and local officials. You could argue that they were following CDC guidance which was revised in March, but the president has been contradicting that guidance in his communications since it was issued. What has the president actually done?
The China travel ban back in January was probably the right thing done for the wrong reason. Banning travel from China fits with the president’s “America First” priors and he probably thought it would be a bargaining chip in his trade negotiations with China. There is no evidence he was taking the virus seriously then and the travel restrictions in hindsight didn’t go far enough (no screening at airports for example). The entire month of February was wasted while the US government (and most state governments to be fair) did nothing. Since March the president has been confusing people with contradictory messaging and deflecting blame whenever possible. It’s been a leadership vacuum that governors have had to fill.
The feds are confiscating PPE en route to the states and doling it out as political patronage. I guess he’s doing that.
Good morning, boneheads!
I hope you all realize that you’re talking and proposing very similar things and yet you’re offending each other unnecessary.
I don’t think Norm is suggesting to open it up completely and hope for the best. I believe the plan in NY is reasonable and sustainable. A bit slow? Perhaps. But understandably so.
A couple of things. My opinion that the testing/tracing plan Bloomberg is working on ( Kudos to him, he also gave his own money to spearhead this, over $10M) will be difficult to rely on. Two reasons, one, the test we have are still not very reliable, and two, the density of population in NY will make tracing difficult. I think they will still have to watch what shows up in the hospitals. How many, how severe?
I would disagree with Norm on school opening though. That would create a pool of potentially massive asymptomatic virus spreaders that may inadvertently infect the vulnerable population.
This morning’s numbers in our place are down again, btw.
Superspreaders, eh, ilb? Elementary schools opening in Europe–are they stupid? And weekend *reported* numbers are always down–that pattern has been set in stone–but are the down numbers you’re talking about relatively different to previous Mondays?
Rob, If the China air ban was not well-informed, well, neither was the reflexive opposition to it. You might want to read what Cuomo and Newsom, among others, have said about the president’s leadership. You have rehearsed the MSM narrative, which is driven by the president’s babbling as opposed to his actions, as always. I’m not going to miss that mutual trollery at all next year or in five.
Norm, there is a BIG difference between elementary schools in some European countries and Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx where two kids live with two parents, two grandparents, and a couple of aunts/uncles in a 2 bedroom apartment.
The numbers in my hospital have been going down steadily, day by day, for weeks.
I believe the governors are saying nice things about him because they’ve learned, as other world leaders have, that flattery is the way you get him to do things for you. They’re doing what needs to be done to help their states. I haven’t personally seen any of this leadership: no plan has been articulated and there is no accountability for anything.
Rangers vs Kings from 1988 on MSG. Mike Richter the emergency backup wearing uniform number 1.
Only consistency I see is hindsight and blame from all sides with more to come.
Spilled some Hellman’s in the kitchen and now have a Sinko de Mayo
Ten week countdown is on! Let’s go F-M-LA! clap-clap clap-clap-clap. Let’s go F-M-LA! clap clap clap-clap-clap.
ilb, I don’t know a thing about multi-generation families in other parts of the world or this country, and what they are doing or not doing about that in terms of getting children to school (and thereby parents to work). And it was not your point, I don’t think, but the logical extension of the problem you point out in the boroughs is no-vaccine/no-school, is it not? Another thorny one.
Rob, call me naive if you like, but when Cuomo praised the president for delivering, I thought he was sincere, admirably so, dropping the tribalism in deference to the problem at hand. And vice versa. To the re-opening I’ll assume you meant you didn’t like the federal plan, not that you didn’t notice it. Did you watch the daily conferences the last couple of months? Not the entertainment portion–the jousting was easy to skip–but the informational bits? As to the governors running the show, with help from the Fed, isn’t that what everyone wants? It was not that long ago that the president claimed that he and he alone would take charge of the re-opening and people, me included, screamed bloody murder. All his task force can do is make recommendations, which they have done, and then the Fed needs to keep doing what it has been doing (most optically with the hospital ship that wasn’t needed in the end), and the rest of the private/public delivery that has been pretty effective IMO. Soon enough it will be a contest between the Fed and the states to see who can claim the highest number of lives saved–that will be some spectacle, I suspect!
Norm – yesterday I asked if you were aware of the hospitalization demographics. From your response, it sounds you were not. The reason for the quarantine first and foremost is to prevent the medical care systems from being overwhelmed to the point of incapacitation (let alone being able to treat non-covid anything). Deaths are a secondary issue. The facts are that 40-50% (in most locations) of those being hospitalized for the virus are under the age of 60. You seem to only focus on the deaths.
The “healthy” groups (as you like to call them) are hospitalized in substantial numbers. Are you ok if we leave them at the curb to treat the ones more likely to die without immediate care? Or to make sure we have room for elective surgery? Or maybe the fiscally prudent thing to do is limit hospital care for covid to just those under 60? Gotta save social security somehow, right?
Wearing a face covering helps mitigate the spread of the virus and, depending on the materials/design, can also give the wearer protection. Is it annoying and inconvenient? Yes. But clearly society can get use to it – see much of Asia even under normal circumstances. The re-opening(s) can work if people continue to adhere to the distancing guidlines (including masks) until such a time as it is clear the virus is well under control or the population is vaccinated. Once travel resumes that will be even more important.
Believe CDC! lol
It’s like, believe all women (unless democrat raped you, no offense to our RR2 blue voters, then it’s fine, because they ‘fight’ orange man bad) only dumber.
Brooks brings up a lot of good points on the draft. Certainly conditional elements of trades are heavily affected by if/how playoffs happen. Won’t be suprised if future deadline deals include language that adjusts or cancels portions of trades for situations like this.
Beezle, it was not my understanding that hospitals were being overwhelmed. Just the opposite in fact, nationwide, but I admit that’s impressionistic on my part, just what I hear on the news, which has not been an exemplar of accurate reporting during any of this.
How about restaurants, bars, theaters, sports venues? How about essential (expendable?) Workers with risk factors? All those healthy young people will be ready to infect them. How about the teachers, school bus drivers, lunch room ladies and custodians in those schools? Also are you going to reserve some areas for older people to leave their homes periodically without diving into sea of infected people not observing social distancing or if they want to take a walk do they just roll the dice? Hopefully there will be senior days in supermarkets so they can buy food without playing Russian Roulettte. What metrics do you use to measure performance and dial it back if you have to. Is this pure dogma or is there some level of fatalities below overwhelming the health care system that would lead you to reconsider? How long will it take to get to herd immunity and what will be the ultimate death toll?
I thought I noticed a hockey comment up here today. Imagine that. Thanks Beezle.
I think these arguments are off balance because some of us are in the tri-state area or live along the East Coast where this is a lot worse than it’s been in areas like Montana or Utah.
Hindsight it 20/20. But if you go back to January, We should have had the balls to do what Athens did. “Stay home. It’s for the good of you and everyone else. If we catch you outside without an essential card you’re going to jail and being quarantined there because our economy can’t sustain a pandemic”
The problem is those who would scream about the CONSTITUTION which says no one has to do that. So all the Conservative Coalition groups would have been firing off their automatic weapons out in front of City Hall to protest. So this is where we are at.
Google Classroom and Meat Packing Trucks being used as temporary morgues. But at least we’re exercising our constitutional rights as some lay dying. Nothing more ‘Merican than that.
I don’t care who people vote for. The fact of the matter is this country dropped the ball. Probably wouldn’t have been any different if the White House were blue right now. But it’d still be all their fault.
Norm,
Speaking as a New Jersey resident I can tell you that similar to what ILB was saying about the city, things aren’t “all better” but the amount of new cases have stabilized enough to inch us back from critical status to just about normal operations.
That being said , the ICUs are still full of patients. Some which will die and some who will be recovering but face slow recovery times. For those recovering they are looking at physical and occupational rehab therapy and/or the question marks about their long term respiratory health/ proneness to stroke/blood clots in the future which they’re trying to collect data on at the moment.
So to me, when people say “it’s getting better”I look at it as more of a figure of speech than a statistical analysis and don’t plan on living as though there is some miraculous lack of risk out there for anyone of any age, occupation or physical make up.
FIRE TORTS!
Mister D(ick) lol
🙂
Here in NYC we have resurrected that old catch phrase:
Who was that masked man!
For immediate distribution:
I am no longer practicing social distancing.
I’m going pro!
My time in the 6 foot side jump is non pareil
As a matter of fact, I believe it’s up there with the best in the milky way
It could almost be described as a life saver
I expect a big payday from this
With mounds of cash
Boys ( and girls), let’s get this non-hockey/political stuff out of our system now. Once any relevant hockey news come around, this is going to be over!
ORF, those are all the right questions, in my view anyway, and there is going to be more death no matter what the prez and the guvs decide. I find it ironic to be hit with the dogma tag when just about all I write about are the tradeoffs and the idea that social policy demands a gimlet eye, that human lives have a price. We’re not going to impose a nationwide 10MPH to get rid of accidents or require ultra-safe cars that sell for $500,ooo. We’re not going to force people to change their diets or to exercise at the point of a knife. No leader is going to get away with feel-good policies on this one, because there aren’t any–it’s going to hurt unless this virus simply dries up and disappears. And nobody here seems to want to address the question of the great second wave, the going-back-to-where-we-started exponential growth (in the non-mathematical sense). Where has this happened? Not a rhetorical question–I’m simply ignorant of evidence that it’s happened outside the US. It has not happened inside, that much I know.
United forever in friendship and labour,
Our mighty republics will ever endure.
The Great Soviet Union will live through the ages.
The dream of a people their fortress secure…
Norm, this is what they predict with re-opening:
You can also see the actual charts of the document they’re referring to.
How do they know? I have no idea. I do know that they are much better at what they do than I. And you. I can argue with them that there is a possibility that the actual pool of people infected is at least 10 times more than we estimate ( Germany report), so the pool of new people to get infected is not as deep anymore. I can also argue that there is a reasonable chance that the most vulnerable have already been infected to a large degree. But the truth is, we don’t know. But if you see their predictions, do you want to take that chance. Sadly, we may not have a choice.
James, thanks for the info. You can’t take NY/NJ out of the equation, of course–nothing un-American about those states! But you’re right that there’s a difference. They represent about 45% of the mortality, and if you do take them out, we’re Germany.
As to Greece, that’s pretty spectacular, though the wag in me wants to respond to “our economy can’t sustain a pandemic” with, “what economy?” Kidding aside, Sweden vs. Greece will be a good one to look at going forward, even though there are probably too many variables. Same size population, opposed responses, but cold vs. hot and other differences I’m sure. The Sweden line is that they allowed too much but will benefit down the road with their better herd. The Greeks were draconian and begin opening for business today. That could be a good test of the fear of suppressed immunities, from too much lockdown, another fear based on not much evidence that I know about.
88K China projection ? someone from Times may get fired
Thank for that link, ilb. It seems irresponsible once you’ve read through the whole thing and all the caveats, but it bears watching, and if it’s true someone obviously knows something we don’t. When I read ,“we expected that we would start seeing more significant declines in new cases and deaths around the nation at this point. And we’re just not seeing that,” my first instinct was to check the date–was this written in early April, perhaps? I guess it all rests on the word “significant” because all the trends are down in the populous states, except in Minnesota where it’s merely peaking. 200,000 daily cases and 3,000 deaths by June, though? That’s going to take some wicked inflection to get to 6x as many cases as the highest to date, and to add 400 to the highest daily death total recorded to date. I’ll send you another round of charts if you’re interested, though they’re everywhere by now.
Norm – check back on June 15 after most (all?) states have reduced restrictions and travel resumes again.
The only one who wants to see more charts is RR2 but just those that prove Strome sucks.
‘The whole world is festering with unhappy souls
The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don’t like anybody very much…’
Here you go
https://www.fansedge.com/foco-new-york-rangers-face-covering-3-pack/p-3907981?_ref=p-GALP:m-GRID:i-r0c0:po-0
I hope to be extant by mid-June, Beezle. What do you make of this NYT bombshell?
Grain of salt, Norm. As anything else related to this virus at the moment. For instance, if you read some reports on how this virus can spread, how long it can stay in the air, how far it can travel ( I saw 27 ft in one report), etc, if they were all true it wouldn’t matter what you wear, how far you separate yourself, there is no way to not get it. In fact, you can be isolated in an underground bunker for years and you would still not be able to avoid it.
Coos you must mean the Italians hate the Serbs!
Have been watching some of the Ranger rewinds lately and can’t get over how bad some of the teams from the 1980’s were. Players cant put two passes together; offside passes, shot’s that have no chance of hitting the net; and don’t get me started on the goaltenders. They are constantly off balance and look terrible when they do make a save. Most of there play looks like guess work.
One of the nice constants is the play of Don Maloney. Never gives up on the puck,always fighting in the corners ,and always standing in front of the net getting tattooed. I can say that he and George McPhee were my favorites from that generation.
One last thing for MSG. If you have some video of The Kansas City Scouts,The Oakland Seals, or maybe The Hartford Whalers with Gordie Howe those would be fun to see.
By definition, one town is an anecdote. It’s not enough to be a sample. And pardon me, you don’t want to be referred to as “people such as yourself,” while you sit comfortably at home discussing how the government is fear-mongering and the trade-off of which people have to die (which of course won’t include you) while less fortunate people are dying.
The fact that you consider a governor deciding what level of risk of death for more vulnerable people is low enough to make it worth restarting the economy too soon is merely “insensitive” shows how little compassion you have and how far from risk you and your loved ones truly are.
The fact that the governors fear possibly not being reelected is a feature of the system, which is designed for the people to elect those that best represent all of their constituents, not just their donors or those that voted for them. For being so afraid of a slippery slope into authoritarianism, you certainly seem to advocate ignoring the reelection concerns that often are the only guardrail that prevents our democracy from devolving into an autocracy.
As for your plan to reopen the economy, you didn’t offer much of a plan at all. As a self-proclaimed math expert, you should understand that with regards to exponential growth, the situation is fine until it’s not, and then it’s too late. Hence the overabundance of caution.
Conclusion: Norm should leave the comfort of his home and go die out there because other people are less fortunate than him.
Sort of, taking one for the team.
All right, Mister D, that’s enough. It was worth a shot, but you won’t engage and so be it. You don’t know anything about me or how I live my life in my community. Be well.
Senor G – Ever notice that people duck when they see you coming?
Airplane! Classic!
Many years ago
I had an enlightenment experience
Where I understood how connected
We all are
When the acid were off
I realized l don’t really want
To be connected to
Most of you
Mother fuggers.
– J. Warren Welch
(That’s Senor D.) Not G. Mister D, damnit. Do I have to spell it out? Mister D.
Corona hits hockey player: https://nypost.com/2020/05/04/georges-laraque-ex-nhler-details-scary-coronavirus-battle/
NYT made its agenda plain this morning in its lead article, trying to scare up numbers in places like Nebraska. Such an irritating aspect of modern life, a newspaper assuming that people, especially quarantined people, can’t or won’t look up public data for themselves and will believe anything they’re told. Cherry-picking NYC metro out of the numbers, as though that hasn’t been the biggest problem in the country by a mile, to create the impression of a new pandemic? In the smallest states? Here’s what I’ll be looking for out of that outfit today. When the numbers go up this afternoon, as they do like clockwork every Tuesday to catch up with light weekend reporting, will the NYT compare to last Tuesday or will they proclaim a spike? I sent a version of this into the paper just now, will be interested to see if they post it. Blech.
It’s sickening to read these article about violent acts against security guards and state park employees that are doing their jobs and trying to keep people safe. Pathetic and shameful.
IPAs suck.
I’m thinking of joining a secret society of IPA-haters, CCCP. I recently found a co-worker–on the young side, surprisingly–who confessed he didn’t like them either. We were almost giddy with excitement to have found each other. Now, of course, you’ll tell me you meant you don’t like Independent Practice Associations.
James, links to all these articles? Googling got me nada.
Norm the Times agenda has been clear for some time!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hall-famer-borje-salming-virus-careful/sn-amp/
Salming thinks he had the virus
Happy cinco de Mayo
hope you are feeling well…improving Alex
Norm your google-fu is poor
My google-fu is usually quite good–but it sucked at finding whatever James was referencing. And, yes, I had to google “google-fu”.
Bobby O
Have done 8 min walks at medium pace
Makes me out of breath by fair amount
Try to avoid people on walks
Have mask w me but feels like I’m breathing in my own exhale so wear only if get anywhere near someone
6 feet heck no
Try 20 feet for me
At rite aid and a deli had experiences with people nowhere near practicing social differences
At the deli waited outside as guy was just inside the door. This other guy comes and stands 2 ft in back of me. I told him to back away a bit. He got very annoyed
At rite aid wanted to ask clerk a question whether they had scales. He keeps coming closer to me as I back away. And this guy comes into store with his girl about 7 years old. Neither w mask. Girl gives me big smile and wave. So now I’m at spot to pay for what I bought and girl comes within 2 feet of me as she skips merrily along. Father oblivious to whole social distancing. I didn’t bother saying anything
Just hope I can’t get reinfected.
Happy Cinco de Mayo everyone. I don’t know about you, but, I’ve had enough Corona to last a lifetime.
Alex, I have a question about your experience and what you’ve been told by your doctors, and sorry to treat you like a lab rat. Are you more or less safe at this point at least as far as C-19 reinfection goes, or is the worry that your system is compromised and it’s other stuff you need to avoid? No need to answer just because I’m curious, and best of luck hauling yourself out! (Where I am, the social distancing is haphazard–it’s understood that the rule is 6 feet, but folks are treating that more like an average than a limit.)
PA once again skewing the graphs today with 500+ new deaths, this after 14 reported yesterday. That will spike the national numbers as it has done two times previously. It matters little in the big picture, but it would be good if that state could get its reporting act together (one day they took 200 *off* the board) so we didn’t get the big, scary headlines when cautionary ones would suffice.
Norm
My regular dr won’t even return calls
Nobody seems to know whether immunity exists
I want to get blood work for other stuff possibly affected by the virus in case of kidney function as well as blood sugar.
Also want to get tested re if I’m still positive 4 weeks after getting out of hospital as well as antibody test
Come next winter I’ll want to get regular flu shot as I usually do
Good to hear you are moving around Alex ..keep progressing
Thanks, Alex, for the response. No envy here!
Alex very glad you are making progress. Hope the pace picks up with the warmer weather and thoughts of hockey playoffs 🙂
Never gets old…
Most people don’t know that back in 1912, Hellmann’s mayonnaise was manufactured in England. In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York.
This would have been the largest single shipment of mayonnaise ever delivered to Mexico. But as we know, the great ship did not make it to New York. The ship hit an iceberg and sank, and the cargo was forever lost.
The people of Mexico, who were crazy about mayonnaise, and were eagerly awaiting its delivery, were disconsolate at the loss. Their anguish was so great that they declared a National Day of Mourning, which they still observe to this day.
The National Day of Mourning occurs each year on May 5th, the original delivery date, and is known, of course, as Sinko de Mayo.
Olga with the usual long-winded version of my original offering.
Olga- someone had to do it.
ESPN is going to televise Korean baseball and I’m sure the Post will soon be publishing the betting line on the games.
Alex-glad you are doing better. You’ll probably be back before the Rangers. You should tell people in stores “Guess what? I just got out of the hospital” and cough a bit. Watch them back off then.
Norm
“secret society of IPA-haters” lol…sign me up!
I was talking about the India pale ale.
Did you know that IPAs contain a plant-based form of estrogen known as phytoestrogen that could cause men to develop man boobs and erectile dysfunction? A condition known as Brewer’s Droop.
Strange that avid ipa drinkers are the hipster guys with those terrible beards and kale smelling breaths. Guys who can’t wait to try and stump the bartender with their dumb questions in an attempt to let everyone in the bar know they’re really into beer.
Beer gets me tipsy. Beyond that who cares?
Word.
CCCP you need to get out of the city lol.
IPA’s – If i wanted to drink a bitter beer, I’d drink with my ex-wife.
coos, I’m not paying royalties…
Beezle
I need to get out period lol
watch this before it is taken down
Hey cuomo nice try chump.
Cuomo is just guys like Gates and Bloomberg’s henchmen.
Cuomo wants k-12 going remote learning forever and is tapping gates and Bloomberg.
No wonder gates resigned from his position with Microsoft. He plans on developing, implementing, and supplying a new sterilized education. It’s something out of a horror sci-fi.
Wake up New Yorkers and don’t allow these kind of Orwellian precedences to be set in your midst of trying to wrap your head around the world right now
Thanks a lot cccp.
I’m gonna hide under the covers for the rest of the night.
On a serious note what kind of incriminating video do you think they have of faurci
It’s hilarious that the Norm understood neither exponential growth nor anecdotal evidence.
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Great to hear you’re doing well, Alex. We’re all happy to have you back
and getting healthier.
jpp, the education in this country leaves a lot to be desired and could use aid. I’m more afraid of the government we currently have that favors nepotism and cronyism in lieu of education and earned expertise.
Mister D’s musings are not to be tossed aside lightly. They should be tossed aside with great force.
Education is important so that we do not fall for the fatuous nonsense spewed from the mouths of the educated.
Teach me, Tiki. I thought I knew the distinction between mathematical exponentiation and the newspaper variety, you know, graphs that slope upwards with a positive 2nd derivative.
What is the end game? I’m not a Dr, Mathematician, or scientist, but I see only one way this ends. We can prolong it, but eventually it’s going to have to happen. It will either happen lawfully, or it won’t. But it’s going to happen.
Mother’s Day is Sunday. That is going to be the first of many potential breaking points coming up.
Good morning, boneheads!
I believe it’s already happening, BDL. Somewhat. Again, I’ve been driving to work every day since this happened. Over the last few day, starting last week, traffic has been heavier and heavier.
Our hospital has emptied my Pediatric In-Patient and PICU units. Terminal cleaning, facelift, and we will be ready to accept sick children again. I can’t wait. The only geriatric face I want to see from now on is when I look in the mirror. 🙂
On a different note, I can attest that this Sinko de Mayo post was originally produced and posted by Olga’s alter ego Izzy many, many years ago when Carp was still at the helm.
I drive to work everyday as well Ilb. The mornings are very light. The lead up to the TZ bridge is light. The ride home has a bit more traffic, but nothing substantial. Maybe people that are driving to work ate starting later, or the people that are not working are starting to go outside later in the day.
The traffic is nowhere near what it used to be in February. But the entire April it was a ghost town. Not now, you see some “red” on your navigation screen.
Mister D,
I trust none of them. I talk to professors who are curriculum specialized.
They’ve been tapping the wrong people for decades on education.
But gates and Bloomberg aren’t education people. They are gonna turn people in mechanical cogs. Think the Movie gattica
I’m not gonna name names, bc it will not go over here with readers.
But sometimes i wonder if we get enough readers here that’s trolls have been planted to become regular posters on the blog and muddle certain things, and push certain things or stories.
Some posters tendencies and show up times, and what they are preaching/pushing or saying their experience is. It really follows the manner in which trolls embed themselves In a online forum and push the agendas they are paid for
Look up Judy Moskovits on snopes. There is a counter narrative worth considering. The blog doesn’t allow me to post anything except plain text so I can’t post the link. I’m not sure why, but, I don’t blame that on the deep state. Let’s stay out of rabbit holes.
I always knew old ranger fan was a troll
😉 totally kidding
ORF,
If she’s really involved in what she says she’s involved in. Of course there is going to be a counter narrative
that doesn’t equal and mean she is legit. That’s just the nature of these things.
What would this world be without the deniers 🙂
I miss the counter narrative I used to get at my coffee counter.
Traffic has been picking up gradually in my anecdotal town of Tacoma for at least a month as people sneak into work. Inslee is caving a tiny bit in the face of our peak being long gone–I got to go get a cup of coffee at a local joint (one customer at a team) and see some familiar faces, back at work. You could see the smiles despite the masks.
I miss that Knicks and that NBA.
Here’s a note I got from an old pal, a small business owner back East–union shop, hoping to get his workers back some day:
Sweden: 10 million people. Massachusetts: 6 million.
Sweden: 2,800 Covid deaths. Massachusetts: 4,000.
Sweden’s first Covid case: 2/4. Massachusetts’ first case: 3/2.
Sweden: one very densely populated area, and a lot of rural land. Massachusetts: one very densely populated area, and a lot of rural land.
Large majority of Sweden’s deaths in nursing homes. Large majority of Massachusetts deaths in nursing homes.
Sweden: excellent healthcare system. Massachusetts: excellent healthcare system.
I’m so glad our business has been shut down for two months.
ORF
What about Fauci? Any counter narratives about him on snopes?
Traffic will be way down for months because many large businesses (ie, not restaurants and bars) have been telecommuting and are likely to phase that out slowly over the summer as data shows it is safe to return to crowded office environments.
I know quite a few who already were doing this one or two days a week prior to the pandemic. No shock if businesses increase the transition of jobs to full or part time telecommute. Partly because it works into people’s life styles, partly because it will save on facilities costs.
Sweden- Instead of draconian lockdown, social distancing is a matter of self-regulation. Citizens were instructed to use their judgment, and to take individual responsibility within a framework that rested on mutual trust, rather than top-down control.. Citizens- “done deal”
Massachusetts- Instead of draconian lockdown, social distancing is a matter of self-regulation. Citizens were instructed to use their judgment, and to take individual responsibility within a framework that rested on mutual trust, rather than top-down control. Citizens-” I don’t give a carcillo!”
ilb, are you saying Swedish citizens can be trusted and Americans can not? You should go into government 🙂
More people that work from home equals less people who stop at a local bagel/coffee shop on the way to work, less people taking a work lunch at a local restaurant. Less people ordering takeout at work. Less mileage on cars, less times at your local auto mechanic. And so on.
More and more people were working from home pre-pandemic…..this will just increase volume long term
Umps have been working from home since 1869.
Here’s another USA-Europe comparison I’ve edited into the same form, from a left-leaning pal who fears that the prez’ team will eventually note:
EU: 500 million pop. USA: 330 million pop.
EU: 138,000 deaths. USA: 70,000 deaths.
EU: Covid death rate: 11.7%. USA: 5.8% death rate.
The “death rate” is bogus, but the comparison of the rates may not be. She attributes it to the one thing most people concede Trump got right, the border closings. Not sure about that.
My cousin who owns a huge meat and provisions company (Alex’s meat) that produces and supplies every single Russian store and supermarket in America with smoked meats, cold cuts, sausages, pelmeni (Russian style meat raviolis), and almost any meat product imaginable just told me that beef prices will double tomorrow. Time to hoard on some beef (That’s what she said!).
Consider this a public service announcement.
Seems that absolutely no one dies of pneumonia any more.
Yes, hoarding things, always the ethical decision 🙂
CCCP snopes has a response from Fauci denying her assertions. I have no way of verifyng it. My read of ths situation is a employee employer dispute gone very bad with neither side giving an inch. The evidence of a big pharma deep state conspiracy is pretty thin. The Alex Jones connection makes me very dubious of her story.
Not suspicious at all…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/06/bing-liu-university-of-pittsburgh-coronavirus-researcher-murder-suicide/
Old Ranger Fan
Have you ever seen a “fat” evidence of deep state connection to anything?
‘What about Fauci?’
Yes, what about a man who has worked for 6 administrations over a span of 36 years. Who has said things contrary to the ‘official’ line on numerous occasions because of what the science showed him and whose character has never been questioned by anyone in government until now.
Ask yourself exactly what factor has changed in that equation?
And in many other equations dealing with people who do not follow the Trumpian line of marketing, I might add.
(But is Alex kosher)?
No, Joey is Kocur.
We have one Administration at a time looking out for the USA. Let’s be big boys and not terminal cynics.
Alex’s Meat…Leave it to a Ukranian to call his business something his friends can make a pun about…lol
Jolten’ Joe Biiiiiiden!!!
We used to have one Administration at a time looking out for the USA
Fixed it for you.
@doctors
After Four Antibody Tests, I’m Still Not Sure I’ve Had Covid-19
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-05/coronavirus-antibody-tests-may-produce-contradictory-results
Aneirin – while I’m firmly in your corner, you shan’t change the minds of those who live in that other universe. It’s not parallel but skewed and quite warped.
Grow upwards. Pray for reign.
Oh, I know that.
Still, the dialogue must go on.
Diet Lysol has zero calories.
Diet Kool-Aid has zero nutrients.
Good morning, boneheads!
Coos, here is a new word for you. It’s becoming my favorite word at work that I use on daily basis while talking to my “troops”lately: DEDEPLOYMENT
ilb – love the PC ‘military’ jargon, e.g.:
Vertical Inserti0n = Invasion
Target Servicing = artillery fire on enemy
Peace = Temporary pre-hostility
Screw = Rotation Compression Surface Unit
Hesitated to bring up a classic Medical excuse for major error: Therapeutic Misadventure. 🙂
Ilb: demobilization. During this mayhem did you ever dream you were deployed on the Proteus? (Fantastic Voyage)
Very interesting and alarming
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/
Yeah, that policy is going to change sooner rather than later.
30 more days of “emergency powers” for the government to save lives by bankrupting everyone.
“Gov. Phil Murphy announced Wednesday he’s extending the public-health emergency he declared in New Jersey over the coronavirus pandemic by 30 days.”
https://starledger-nj.newsmemory.com/?publink=07168c289_134365
Is NYC next to extend?
In fairness, NJ has gotten just clobbered–gotta be the worst per-capita surely. Still could get ugly on the unemployment, cabin-fever side, though.
NY could be different–Cuomo just uttered the concept that dare not speak its name recently: the cost of a human life. Good on him to spend his idolatry-capital there. I think he did a great optics job early on, said the right things, etc., dropped politics for a moment or two, but it’s amazing he’s gotten a pass on all the mistakes made in his clobbered state and city, most notably the return-to-nursing-homes policy. I was stunned to discover this week that subways are now being deep-cleaned. Now?
Kooz – is the Moron – in – chief also promoting kook aid as medicine? Hadn’t heard that. Seth Myers put it best “Trump is either watching Fox News, appearing on Fox News, or watching himself on television appearing on Fox News.”
The lockdown was not supposed to be permanent. It was intended to “flatten the curve” so as not to overwhelm the health system while they built capacity and built a testing and contact tracing apparatus that would allow us to reopen. How are we doing on that? I believe NY and NJ have built health care capacity (not sure about elsewhere). Testing and tracing is a big whiff. It’s like they got an 8 week extension on a project and used it to fart around before deciding they weren’t going to do the work after all. Trump just said he didn’t want to do more tests because then the numbers would go up and it would make him look bad. No need to guess or read into his motivations — he actually said it! Its clear if you’re watching they’ve given up and just want to move on to re-opening where it will be every man for himself. Oh, and your employer will be liability protected if you get sick.
If that military thing shows you anything, in the future previous Covid 19 status will be a pre-existing condition used to deny you health care. Get back to work!
Cuomo hinted at this yesterday, but if you take NY, where things actually have been improving, out of the equation the numbers for the country as a whole are moving in the wrong direction. We haven’t satisfied the CDC’s own 14 days of declining cases in most areas
Rob – our Dear Leader isn’t much of a leader. But hey, he gives himself a 10.
Flatten the curve….. or flatten the economy ….or flatten the president
Rob, I run those numbers every day, and the numbers are not moving in the wrong direction at all. The NYT threw that talking point at Cuomo yesterday, taking NYC metro out (rather than using it as a leading indicator) and looking at new cases in places like Nebraska and noting that the case numbers aren’t shrinking as quickly as we might have hoped, but they are not plateauing even within that cherry-pick. There was no discussion of the hospitalization rates, though, within those cases–I’ll leave it to ilb to re-examine the observation he made last month in correcting my overuse of new cases, that cases weren’t really the thing, that they were admitting only the most dangerous ones and turning others infected away. I don’t know for certain that the conversion rate of new cases to deaths has changed as a result of admitting milder cases, but the steadily decreasing hospitalization rates are encouraging at least.
I meant to say this earlier…To maybe answer to some of the posters on here. In reference to the PLANdemic video about the virologist.
I am not trying to defend her, nor am I going to close my eyes to the obvious deception. Were any of the people calling her a liar, there to witness what actually happened? The actual truth is only known to very few, and I am sure it is very subjective. Even if half of what this woman says is true, or even a small fraction of that, it’s disturbing to know how corrupt our world is and how far people in authoritative positions are willing to go for money and power.
Whether she has enough credibility or lost her credibility, has nothing to do with the fact that there is a conflict of interest between the government & big pharma, which MUST be investigated, period! The American people and all citizens of the world are living under tremendous deception and have been for a very long time. All we have ever done is sit back, trust, and allow them to continue destroying our world right in front of our faces.
As if 2020 hasn’t been amazing enough already…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/potentially-historic-may-snowstorm-headed-northeast-new-england-n1201946
Norm -you should pen an op-Ed to the NYT and explain how they’re incorrect whereas your model is most accurate. The comment section would be comedy gold.
I did send a comment in, E3–they didn’t post it. It was in the form of what I posted here yesterday. What on Earth leads you to believe their journalism kids have a firm grip on the numbers, anyway? Apologies if they’re former students of yours 🙂
Norm – I assume their mathematicians and statisticians are established modeling experts and doing more than looking at a spread sheet and drawing curves by hand. Tricky business no doubt as one’s model is only as good as your data set. Difficult choice for our political leaders in deciding between public policy and health policy. Dead people don’t care much if they’re hungry. I prefer the science have say over the economy. That said, I’ve lost a lot of money in the last 2 months….
What saddens and troubles me most is the continued cronyism that the trump administration employs in seemingly every decision they make. This latest whistle blower complaint isn’t a flattering portrait…..
But given Jared is in charge. Fear not. He’s secured peace in the Middle East and covid 19 should be a piece of cake….
(To clarify, E3, I’m not modeling, I’m just charting the data–I fit curves every so often for fun, but I’m not a stats guy. The models we’ve seen are, as ever, iffy, most notably the UW one that comes and goes in its popularity as its outcomes swing on new data.)
When the curve was exponential my simple differential equation model was spot on. I had predicted 1400 Positive cases in Santa Clara County on day X, 10 weeks out based on the what on had Jan 31 and one other data point a week or so later. And there it was 1404 or so. But once the progression starts shifting it’s a much more difficult problem to solve….I haven’t looked at anything lately….
I wrote the last post without seeing yours, e3. I would disagree that this thing boils down to dead people vs. money. It’s dead people vs. dead people in my view, what with 30+ million unemployed here, for example–not a good thing for public health. Worldwide, 3rd-world countries’ people will suffer greatly as a result of so many major economies shutting down for so long.
All I did early on, E3, was exponential and logistics fits, neither of which predicted anything. Then some symmetrical and asymmetrical bells that are, again, entertaining in the moment but not much worth predictively, other than in the occasional moment when some weird weekend number hits your line on the dot. I will say this much–if you do the charts on large-ish states and various countries, even Sweden’s, the shapes look the same with few exceptions. Makes me wonder if Ben-Israel was onto something last month with his ~70-day observations.
From what I saw yesterday, the number of new cases in your state is increasing. Not sure about concavity….
Interesting paper put out by Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy – university of Minnesota. – Dr. Michael Osterholm is lead author and it lays out 3 scenarios as to what the future has in store.
I haven’t been looking at WA much, E3–small numbers–other than to look out the car window to watch traffic increase. But looking at the updated charts I keep, the case data is spiky but eye-balling down slightly. I have charts that are 10-day-smoothed that show the same thing, and it’s been flattish for a while even as deaths keep decreasing more sharply, one of those matched curves that suggest a common-sense view that there will be flat case numbers as testing improves, but decreasing hospitalizations and deaths. Remains to be seen, of course. A problem I worry about out here is Inslee’s adversarial relationship with the Prez and the deep blue of Seattle combining in an urge to stay shut for too long. I don’t care about the politics so much–that’s stuff we can get back to bickering about when and if we get back to normal–but that it’s gotten in the way of red and blue people getting their livelihoods back. It would have been nice to put the tribalism aside the last couple of months, but the power of individuals’ desire to be re-elected is overwhelming.
Agreed. It’d be nice if the red side, while protesting for their right to get sick quicker than would otherwise happen, would leave their weaponry at home.
Absolutely, and wear masks for god’s sake, if only for the optics (as Osterholm would point out). No need for the guvs to call them Nazis, either, or jail people who open spas. Just a lot of dumb out there. We’re conditioned to behave this way.
Lotta dumb in Murica.
Osterholm put out 480,000 dead back in March when nobody knew anything. Not disqualifying, but makes you wonder about his current prognostications.
LET’S GO RANGERS!!!
Welcome to Blowhard Nation, former home of the NY Rangers
There’s no hockey, coos. None. But by all means, we can leave Blowhard Nation for Pun Town. Let’s have it!
kooz looks into the mirror and sees what?
Ilb
My favorite word – all-time.
Antidisestablishmentarianism
Try to say that 3 times quickly.
Nursing Home Time for a few here. Wheelchair and afghan.
Like Don Rickles with the insults….the difference tho, Rickles was funny….
And was a fan of the hockey puck
Hint that y’all are ready for the Rest Home: All the names in your little black book are doctors.
‘Like Don Rickles with the insults’
I’d say Henny Youngman, like Henny Youngman Coos’ jokes would be a big hit in the Borscht Belt
In the 50’s.
My wife is such bad cook, six flies took up a collection to fix the holes in the screen.
Now, aneirin can tell the same joke except he will increase the number of flies.
I get no respect. The other day my house caught fire. My wife told the kids, “don’t wake up dad”
I like aneirin – he’s a good mate
So 2000 flies took up a collection to fix the hole in my screen, I asked why so many of you, it surely won’t cost so much.
They told me, “Well we actually only needed the contributions of six to cover the repair cost. The rest was needed to pay Coos his royalties”.
CCCP Wicky would hunt you down for teasing like that. Me? I’ll just make sure you bake in 100+ and 90% humidity for a week this summer 🙂 Snowstorm? Summit might get 1″ tonight and another 1″ on Saturday. Yawn. I’ve seen a foot on May 1 about 10 years or so ago. Still top to bottom cover up there, lasts a long time with nobody using it.
Made the 90 mile (r/t) journey to Costco this afternoon. Felt like quite the miscreant at the checkout – apparently only one package of chicken strips to a customer these days, not three. They didn’t bat an eye at the four double packs of Smartbalance (set for the year baby!)
Minx would be so out of place up here. A warm 55 and a guy was out there mowing his lawn no t-shirt. Minx be wearing his best down parka
It was low 80’s my way
Come on now Aneirin. Have some respect for Coos, the inventor of every joke known to man. I certainly do…
It was 80 here in Western NY today. 40 this morning. 40 this afternoon.
Western NY, lol. What’s the zip-code, EIEIO?
Give my regards to -Broadway- er… to Old McDonald.
While I do appreciate the back and forth here from our resident academics, it only confirms to me that nobody knows anything. Everybody is just guessing. Therein lies the problem. It’s all just guess work. It might be an educated guess, but still a guess.
I trust nobody. I believe nobody. Every person in the position to help us, guide us through this has failed us. From our government, to our scientists, to our academics. Everyone of them has failed us, and continue to do so.
The administration has only failed if you think their priority was fixing the problem and not looting everything that isn’t bolted down
Norm perhaps you can find a way to incorporate this into your model, though not being about dead people it might be difficult
COVID-19 lung effects worry diving doc
Ilb weren’t you (maybe it was James?) talking about something like this last week? venous-thromboembolism-patients-covid-19-prospective-cohort-study
The one definitively good thing about being a cynic is that you are rarely disappointed.
Kooz is such an angry old man he yells at the grass to “get off my lawn!!!!!”
I’ll be at the holiday inn off Rt 17 all week
Rob – even if it’s bolted down, Drumpf and family will steal it.
Relatedly, his band of criminals are asking SCOTUS to not release any testimony relating to Mueller’s investigation. Why? Because there is nothing to hide of course.
‘The one definitively good thing about being a cynic is that you are rarely disappointed.’
Well now Coos, you owe me royalties.
For years when asked why I was a pessimist my reply would be, “A pessimist is never disappointed but is occasionally pleasantly surprised while an optimist can only suffer disappointment after disappointment.”
Better get your flies to take up a collection!
Love all these aspiring academic Capitalists who want to enforce Communism on the rest of us.
Pessimists and Cynics – two different birds.
Carp’s latest tells the sad tale of old athletes who just fade away, year after year. e.g. – How many young major leaguers recognize or even care about Mays, Snider, and Mantle?
Coos the US has not had a capitalist system since prior to WWI. The only question is whether ‘national’ should be put infront of ‘socialist’ to describe the current situation.
Beez – look around. Forget politics.
Even individual Communists are Capitalists when the lights go out and the opportunity arises. Human nature, Beez. As has been said: ‘When the last bourgeois is hung, a capitalist will sell the rope.’
Too much gloom and doom folks…come here to get away from that …will try to change subject….looks like Rangers are back in playoffs /postseason
I hear there’s a soccer game coming up in Zambia some time soon. OK, I made that up, but if there’s a televised athletic contest–I don’t care if it’s netball and Chingola City vs. Luanshya United, I’m watching.
There’s Korean baseball but the games are on way too late
Well…there’s always this
Reminds me of the Pythons slapping each other with fish.
Perhaps any mistakes Cuomo may have made haven’t been focused on because he’s going through this pandemic like the rest of us, without a how-to-guide combined with his genuine concern for the constituents he represents. On the other hand, the mistakes routinely targeted by the media that have been made by the president have been born of self-interest as well as incompetence in the form of lack of preparation.
I’m going to throw a hockey question in here. Apparently the NHL has thrown in the towel on completing the regular season, but, is holding out for a 24 team playoff format. Seven team would be in the lottery. Depending on which of the two way they decide on the the teams, the Rangers would play the Leafs in a best of three series to play into the 16 team field or be in the lottery. Do you prefer being in the expanded playoff field or in the lottery with a chance at one of the top 7 players in a very deep draft?
Discuss among yourselves.
BTW I think they will putz around for another month and cancel the season, unless of of course the PGA ratings are through the roof for whatever event they put on.
Carp has the Ranger survey results up on the Athletic. It’s not much but it’s all the hockey we have.
If they play and are out right away they will be around the 14-15 spot. If the draft is deep, that should be fine. In theory, they also have assets available to try to move up. I’ll take the shot at playoffs.
Kreider will be back and it will probably play more like early season (offensive) hockey than late season low scoring stuff. As Igor and Georgie have been pretty good, would like our chances to go at least a round, maybe two and who knows.
I’d love a shot at toronto.
Gimme hockey over lottery balls
I’d also like to see them play. Of course if they go out early I’ll be kicking myself.
So I am getting my outfit together for my next game at MSG. Scott Pack respirator/face shield, tyvek suit and adult diaper. I may pick up a couple items in the supermarket on the way home.
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