Good morning, boneheads!
I am going to share my thoughts on how I’d proceed if I were a manager. Luckily for everyone, I am not. š
At this point I would make sure Kreider is re-signed. Short of him not wanting to stay in NY, it needs to get done. Also, at this point, I think the compromise will have to be somewhat in Kreider’s favor. It is what it is. I’m looking at this team and I believe they are ready to break out. Letting him go sets this team back. It’s time to move forward.
Next step is DeAngelo and Strome. I’m testing the market. If there is anything at the deadline offered out there that improves this team right away, and going into 2020-21 season, I am making that deal for either of them. If there is a pick (s) ( not a lottery pick, of course ) or a prospect (s), I am keeping them both. Both make, or could immediately make, this team better right away in a different way. Gorton has time. There is a 10% summer cushion to sort things out before the training camp ends. Things happen around the league all the time.
I would try and sign Strome. Both parties know Strome has finally found his place in this league. He traveled around enough. He is not going to get tier one, or even two, money anytime soon. I try a long term, in the range of $4.5M-$5.2M, say 4-5 year deal. If he doesn’t accept it, I let him go to arbitration, accept the award, and use him as a trade bait next season. He can still be very useful next year on the ice while Chytil continues to grow.
You are going to have to hear me out on DeAngelo. My goal is to turn him into a very high level blue chip. His skills will make him attractive to many teams. With Trouba and Fox staying here long term, and with the defensive depth in the system on the right that is mostly offense oriented, they can not afford to have 3rd pair offensive D-man being paid at the money Tony will eventually receive. His contract status isn’t in his favor. Again, three years removed from UFA, you use it to your advantage.
I would not take him to arbitration because I would want to be in charge of the contract length. I would want a one year deal. I would qualify him at 105% of his salary, playing by the CBA rules. I wouldn’t worry about offer sheet. If he signs it, I’d match. Now you have a player under longer contract who is not eligible for any movement clauses. Easier to trade. He is going to elect to arbitrate, no doubt. I accept the ruling, let him play next year while he is still playing for his next contract. I’d constantly continue to evaluate the market for him next year. Nothing attractive next season? Rinse, repeat. In July 2021 he is still an RFA with 2 years left before he is eligible for UFA. At some point the market for him will offer something that I could accept. Meantime, he is, similarly to Strome, making this team better right away. I would have to clear some money elsewhere, but I would not do it at the expense of either Strome or DeAngelo.
Just my thoughts.
UPDATE:āClick here to read Carpās new article. Heās trading Kreider again š
173 responses to “Game Day”
Blues should have been assessed 2 minutes for delay of game. League is getting too soft.
Starting to really enjoy Coffee and ilb.
Sounds good and completely logical to me ilb.
Hopefully the services of all 3 players can be retained.
I have done a 180 on DeAngelo, I don’t want him traded. But here is the problem they face. They are going to be paying a pretty good number for a RD3. Plus they have cheaper RDs knocking on the door. You can slow play, like ilb is suggesting, but you can get burned doing that. I think you strike now. Try to help the forward situation.
Trading Strome is much more difficult to do because he is a center, and behind Chytil, there a no centers to replace Strome.
The reason I decided to post this is because all I see around is they have to trade Strome or DeAngelo, or both, in order to keep Kreider. No, they don’t. There is no rush at all. If you need to dump some money, you look at those moves that hurt your team the least.
BDL, email
Strike now only if it improves your team right away. If not, you wait.
I am having a tough time with the thought of keeping Strome (who I see as a Panarin production) over DeAngelo. The negative about moving Strome is the hole it leaves at the center position. The positive is that he will never have a higher value than he does today. The question is how would Howden make out in that spot instead. Moving DeAngelo is a huge risk, because he has tools nobody else on the Rangers back line has, or any of their defensemen in the pipeline have. He also adds toughness and attitude, which they do not have enough of. I would rather they move out Skjei.
Tym, the reality is that with Fox progressing at the level he has, DeAngelo will be a 3rd pair, PP specialist getting paid 2nd pair money. They simply can not afford that. Besides, this kid Nils is going to potentially bring a lot of offense on the R side. And it sounds like rather sooner than later.
And statically Keane is having a big year in Hartford. Trading DeAngelo makes sense.
Something tells me I am about to hear that they should trade Trouba. Not going to happen, and it would be a wrong move imho.
My English is well below average this morning. Thank goodness I can edit my own posts š
Trouba will continue to log in big minutes against the first liners while making their lives miserable around the net. And during the next shift another line will have to adjust their jockstraps to get ready to play against Lindgren. Let’s not reverse back to having 5 out of six puck movers.
Ok. So what can they get for Tony D? What should they get for Tony D? If he did not come through as he has, the Stepan trade would have been useless other than clearing out his big salary and NMC. Kirby Dach? Dylan Cozens? Trevor Zegras? I doubt any of those 3 are available, even for Tony D. What I like about the original post is the reality that they donāt have to rush into this decision. It is a very good point and I have not read that opinion anywhere before todayās ILB post.
TYM, things around the league happen all the time. And pure offensive D-men are still in high demand. My point was they are not in any position to make a knee jerk decision.
I didn’t want to go into the CBA specifics about arbitration. There are some things that Gorton can use. But at the end of the day, arbitration is a funny thing. Generally, the arbitrator awards somewhere in the middle. You present your valid points and stats both ways. The bottom line, DeAngelo is not getting crazy money in arbitration. Even if he does it for 3 years in a row. He will still remain an attractive trade target.
Just to clarify the offer sheet situation.
These are the current compensation numbers, it will be a bit higher next year, depending on the % of average salary increase. We will know in May.
$1,395,053 or below: None
$1,395,054-$2,113,716: 3rd
$2,113,717-$4,227,437: 2nd
$4,227,438-$6,341,152: 1st, 3rd
$6,341,153-$8,454,871: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
$8,454,872-$10,568,589:
2 1sts , 2nd, 3rd
Over
$10,568,590+: 4 1sts
I imagine it would have to be a 4-5 year deal for Tony to be willing to sign. Essentially anything less than $4.23M AAV, I would match. Wouldn’t you think that having a player with his skills at these numbers would make him a very attractive trade target? Anything over $4.3M AAV, I’d not match. Take 1st, 3rd, add your 2nd and flip it for NHL ready young forward.
Shesty in goal tonight, Georgie tomorrow? Or vice verse? At some point, Hank must be the one thatās press boxed. I think if shesty was forced to miss the rest of the Jetsā game, Hank lets in 5 and the Rangers lose. Canāt afford to take a chance on the starter getting hurt and Hank going to F things up. Itās time for the two best goalies to dress….and that means no Hank.
I love how the debate between Strome and DeAngelo is going to have a heavy tone of “Strome’s production is because of Panarin”
Well let me ask you this- How much of Tony’s production isn’t because of Panarin?
I think Hank will back up both nights.
On second thought, I’d play Shesterkin back to back unless he gets torched tonight. There is no messages to send anymore. He is your number one, ride him.
The thing about Panarin is he makes everyone around him better …not sure why that should that impact Strome plans he wont cost a fortune anyway
This urge to trade DeAngelo I find downright bizarre. Iām probably underthinking it, but why not just sign the guy? Heās a stud, he has even more ceiling, heās QBāing the best PP in the league, and thereās no saying one of the young D prospects (like heās even old) will develop into something as good. Heās the first guy I lock up.
Iād ride Shesty too. Play him till he canāt play no more…
Norm, it’s because of organizational depth. I think everyone has made that clear. You don’t have that same depth at any of the forward positions. It also isn’t smart cap structure to to pay your RD3 an excessive amount of money. Especially when his defense is suspect at times.
Norm, I mentioned the reason above. They can’t afford to pay $4.5-$5M to a third pair offensive specialist. He is currently behind Trouba and Fox. And they have cheaper replacements in their system.
Ride Shesty but give Georgie playing time too. Should be a 1A and 1B tandem through the end of the season.
Maybe press box time will get Hank to reconsider his commitment to the rebuild
In fact, I am a proponent against the URGE to trade him. I am proposing to trade him when they get the best deal possible. No rush. Read much? š
tend to agree with Norm on Beverly plus while they have RHD on the way Tony they are still unknown/unproven at NHL level. If they get the right offer specific to a potential 2C I could see the move happening
I donāt even need to post lately cause ILB has said everything that I think.
#Kindredspirit
Hank “doesn’t want to win a Cup anywhere but New York.” I think it’s become clear he just doesn’t care about winning a Cup at all. I am a bit disappointed in him
Cregg7, how many coronavirus meetings?
They are going to use their organizational depth on D to address the lack of organizational depth at forward, eventually. it could be DeAngelo. It could be Nils. I don’t know if Keane brings the value the other two may have in the trade market. If he does, it could be him as well.
Interesting evolution on Kreider narrative.
Most posters in blogosphere and now even carp are saying gorton needs to sign him.
In October it was less than 50% That thought they should re sign him. Funny how that works when you perform so well in your prime and are a proven playoff commodity.
Maybe itās James thatās convinced everyone.
Any recent rumblings on Kreider? It’s been quiet.
Cregg,
It all depends on how you view him. Do,you look at his goal and point total, and say that not enough, or do you dig a little deeper and see the amount of the teams goals he is on the the ice for. Last year it was over 40%. Not sure about this year.
Ilb. Luckily none for me. People are talking and emails from infection control on policy have been issued.
I imagine NYC and other major metropolisā on much higher alert. Hope here in Rochester we remain
insulated a bit because of the lack of direct international flights.
Though, thatās a pipe dream given the far reaches of a city the size of wuhan and its connections to the world.
Indeed BDL.
Letās go!!! Sign kreidsdale!
(Last carp article referenced the nickname)
hopefully the quiet front on kreider means Gorton and Kreider’s agent are working on a extension.
Sign Kreider, Gorton has options to reduce the cap. ilb is making sense D’Angelo is the guy to move (No rush), if the return is really good. If they can make a hockey for a RW with great hands for the Panarin line then you do it in a heart beat.
Brooksie working hard for Rangers pushing that Cap crunch to pressure Kreids into below market deal
Reading comprehension appears to be an issue with a few.
Iām a bit like bdl on this one, Iāve changed my stance on Beverly somewhat.
His offencive numbers are great, but thatās not my hesitation..itās his physical nature.
Other roster moves (or lack there of) really will push me one way or another to keep him.
As ilb pointed out, itās a moot point though once his contract aav reach a certain dollar amount.
Canāt teach snarl. You be born with that….
Cyrgalis reading blog… Brooksie must be out sick lol
Ilb – I would view the monetary side of a D’Anger contract differently (and D in general). Look at it as cost per pair. If you bring someone up on the left side that is similar to Lindgren, your cost for that 3rd line is maybe a little rich but definitely doable considering D’Angers offensive production.
The odd man out here is likely SkjeL as neither his pure defensive nor his offensive play have lived up to the contract AAV. Granted, he’s still young and maybe he improves, but given the apparent pipeline and need for some cap wiggle room if you can deal him for something reasonable you do it.
Tony D is a rare and special talent.
Trading him would be akin to when they traded Zubov, which was a horrible trade. Just a dumb and at this point unnecessary move.
Fox and Tony D QBacking the PP and leading the breakout for the next 5 years is what I prefer to see.
Lucic isnāt the scary guy he once was, but he can still throw them.
Entertaining game last night.
Any of you guys have computer issues in your offices too?
Weāre all on the same server right?!
Trouba averages 50 seconds per shift
Tony D averages 35 seconds per shift. Thatās a huge difference and results in Trouba TOI per game being almost 3 minutes higher than Tony D.
Wicky, must be some gunk in the tubes
I really like the point about not repeating the Zubov mistake.
Zubov had a long distinguished career in this league, and had he remained a Ranger the entire time I believe his number would have been hanging from the rafters at MSG today.
Rob
Something for sure…maybe it needs more coffee, Iāll dump some more on the tower, see if that helps.
I don’t see any reason to treat Fox and DeAngelo as an either/or. You’ve got them. Pat yourself on the back for being lucky or good at development or both, and keep them. Hope is not a plan, as many are fond of saying here, and you don’t hope you’ll get someone as good from the oversupply. Trade those guys if you have to trade anyone.
Is it me or is Beverly higher in the trade bait list than he was last night?
One alternative would be a Skeji trade or or Buchnevich. In the grand scheme of things are those two players worth 8.5 million dollars in a cap league?
And are they more valuable than Tony D and Strome?
Donāt know if any contenders have a need for those two though.
I had a feeling Buch salary would haunt us a little.
James
Good question…SkjeL certainly isnāt and Buch probably isnāt.
buch apparently made joke/comment after Winnipeg game that he was #12 on TSN trade list and pointed to #1 -Kreider
The hard part is going to be if they trade by the deadline and who they trade, will they be able to compensate for it through other trades in the summer.
BobbyO
He did,didnāt appear kreider appreciated it
Didn’t know Buch did humor.
Cregg
I think both players could be very valuable to a contender…even more so because they both have term.
SkjeL can be a solid 2nd pair nhl guy, heās just over exposed playing first pair with the rangers.
Buchnevich shows some grit, has decent size, and scores at a middle 6 forward rate. Heās just (so it seems) very mercurial and at times needs a kick I the pants. I donāt think his contract is too upside down.
Just my opinion.
Now THE won’t talk to him anymore. “No speakie Ruskie…”
Coos
Heās captain happy, of course he does š
Beezle
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I wonder if the nurse injury opens a door for a d trade to Columbus for Anderson or something else?
Jones, not nurse
If Hank ran the demanding, uber- successful Torts out of town, another reason to send him to pasture.
Nurse Jones?
The third-largest newspaper publisher in the U.S. by circulation said it has filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy. – (words of the prophets are written on the subway walls..).
Buch and Skjel To Edmonton for Kassian
All very good arguments, hard to disagree with any.
Zubov trade was sheer stupidity and stubbornness by some players/coaches. There was no cap limit then. There is now. I don’t think those two are comparable trades because of that. If there is no cap consideration, I’d give DeAngelo 5×5 now and won’t even think about a trade.
Banner hung in his next NHL town: Well, Hello-o-o, Nurse!
Nurse Shark?
The only mistake in the Zubov trade if we want to call it a mistake was the return?
Perfectly understand why many didn’t and don’t like Torts – rather short tempered and obnoxious, but he whipped the boys into shape and always gave us a show.
The rangers can offer kreider something no other nhl team can…the 8th year
And if I was gorton, Iād take full advantage of that
If I were a rich man,
Ya ba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dum.
All day long I’d biddy re-sign Kreider.
If I were a wealthy man.
Let’s chill with the Zubov comparison. Zubov was a smart defender and former 89 point scorer with a Stanley Cup ring when Smith idiotically gave him away because he thought they needed size on the Blueline (no offense Ulfie).
This is the first full season Tony D has played lol
A lot of notables with injuries right now. I’m going to take a wild guess and say Toffoli to NYI and Dumba to Montreal.
Ridiculous the way defensemen are judged these days, PeeWee to OHL, to AHL, to NHL, winning prestigious awards all along the way and never learning to play a lick of defense.
If you get a chance, listen to Bieksa speech during Sedins ceremony
Norm – your first line, I thought you were speaking of Secretariat.
Speaking of Sedins. Went at #2 and #3 in that draft. Number 1? Patrik Å tefan. WOOF.
Rangers 5
Wild 0
GwG THE
Well, since we are on that page. #4? Pavel Brendl. Sorry, guys.
Ilb
It was great, the whole ceremony was cool
Milbury returns to his alma mater, Colgate, to finish his quest for an orthodontics degree.
And heās widening. Secretariat is moving like a tremendous machine.
And sham didnāt have it today dropped to 5th
Who was way back second, Twice a Prince, or or Forego? I know I had the exacta which paid nada.
Toffoli to Bruins is my guess….Pageau to Isles
Kooz – id have to play the replay . I think a $2 ticket to win paid 2.10. As to who place/showed….canāt recall
Zubov came in hot at age 24, never topped that rookie season, and was a much better defender than DeAngelo is now. That said, DeAngelo prorates to 63 pts., more goals, far fewer assists–who knows where he’ll actually finish. Zubov got 71, 66 in his next two years and never got close to those numbers again. So not a perfect analogy, especially with the cap, but still a cautionary tale.
Nurse confused with Jones? Do all black defensemen look alike?
BAAAHAHAHA
Quinn plays Fox and Tony together when he needs offense. Thinks they are Leetch and Zubov.
eddie – week before the race, took Big Red and I was giving any and everyone every other horse in the race at even money. Surprising at how many suckers fell for that, thinking they had a bargain… š
James, I refuse t0 chill on the Zubov comparison. So put that in your pipe and smoke it!
And just because heās only been here a year doesnāt temper my enthusiasm for Tony D. one bit. As fluid and powerful a skater as they come, can lug the puck as good as anyone and is quite adept at turning the play around and starting the breakout By beating the forecheck with both his skates or his passes. Iāll be very pissed is he gets traded. Move Skjeil and Buch. Or Trouba who leads the DMen in TOI because he and Skjeil shifts are longer than any off the other DMen.
Why? Because they get pinned in the defensive zone more than any other pair.
BobbyO
I think pageau to the avs
Wait. So papa bear š» wants to keep Beverly ? Iām still not sure how he feels.
His name is Tony D.
Radulov on IR today for Dallas
Rangers have a Tall skilled angry russian top 6 they could help the stars replace him with
If Tony D and TRS are back next year that third pair could cost ~$10MM. Lindgren and Foxx ~$2MM. Truba and Skjei ~$13.5MM
So that’s that
The responses to that tweet are hilarious.
“Can’t find any logic to it!”
“Why not Hank?”
“Ughhh”
“Damn it!”
Perhaps it’s because Georgiev is better than Hank at the moment, dingbats?
I don’t ever recall Hank being “day to day” with anything
He’s been injured longer term a few times for sure, but he’s been amazingly durable
This is like Daniel Jones being day to day with an ankle thing after 15 years of Eli Manning never missing a game
Not easy goaltending consecutive games in the NHL. Some of these players are big and strong and fast. And temperamental. A guy could get hurt!
The NHL spotter mistook his ankle for concussion.
I hope whoever that was wasn’t one of my former medical students.
A total-body injury.
I recently sustained a minor concussion of the sartorius.
Thatās the longest brain in the body, Norm.
It looked like in the replay he was favouring his leg, I honestly thought it was his knee when it happen and the way he reacted
Kooz – early morning of the 73 Belmont, at dawn, as Secretariat was walked out of the Stable, he reared up on his hind legs abs marched about for about 5 seconds. At that moment, those close to Big Red knew they were going to witness something extra special….
Interesting back and forth role play in 31 thoughts pod as gorton and hank.
Letās hope that Hank is needed tonight. As a fan, I have zero confidence in his ability to win a game. If the rangers score x, Hank gives up x+y, where y>0
Not needed ****
Pretty sure Shesterkin is kneaded tonight.
Of course Shesterkin has to be hurt. As soon as this team possibly starts to roll…
At least it aināt LQ in goal.
Longest muscle in the body, Norm!
I think we should trade Shesterkin. Injury prone. And GMs now know that they consider him a #1 and not a back up.
I’m thinking A R1, top 4 Dman and a RW1.
Iām holding my longest muscle as I type….
People thought there was a language barrier when Shesty didn’t understand what Rammer was saying to him.
Meanwhile he was just in disbelief that a rolled ankle required concussion protocol.
Of COURSE the resident Doctor beats me to the sartorius quip…. >: /
JamesG, bet you Shesterkin didn’t understand carcillo Ramsay was telling him, except potentially “Let’s Go”
Shesty is so valuable, and Rammer so worried he might be blamed if something goes wrong, he would napkin the ice cream from Igor’s Crosbys after a toasted almond.
So how is Buchnevich or someone else not out on the ice with rammer at the time of the convo? Seriously?!
Twice A Prince, 31 lengths later.
Shoulda sent Sarge’s daughter out there.
Sham was run into the ground. The irony being Sham was supposed to go out strong hoping Big Red would also go out fast and Sham would outlast Secretariat….
Ilb I like your assessment of strome and kreider but idk if deangelos stock is ever gonna be as high as it is now. He might get poached in the summer. It all depends upon these next few weeks if we stay in the race i guess. We still have shattenkirks full cap hit to deal with too next season. All that said I think your plan sounds intriguing. I really feel we need to get another 1st though because this draft is stacked. Its hard man because The KZB line made a statement in Winny. I don’t envy Gorton right now that’s for sure.
Btw I didn’t read any comments yet so if I said something that someone else already mentioned well then I’m stupid and i’m ashamed at myself.
I agree about getting another 1st round pick for the upcoming draft. I read the draft this year is 3 rounds deep but not by trading Kreider.
Post above updated. Carp is trading Kreider again š
Honestly though Ilb I was thinking maybe the best time to have signed kreids was back when he was struggling early on. He’s gonna want 7 maybe more now ya know? I think if they were gonna sign him they would have already. Hes too juicy right now. Idk ya gnome sayin? Its all good though we goin be alright doo dooo dip duck dodge dive and dodge.
Rangers not doing Georgiev any favors. The Wild are a very good team at home.
From the start I stated on here trading kreider would be a mistake but after reading rumors I came to grips that the rangers were going to trade kreider. After reading ILB’s way of signing kreider and other rfa’s it would be a big mistake to trade kreider and IMO would set the rangers back a few years in this rebuild towards a playoff team. JD and Gorton must find a way unless Kreider wants ridiculous money like 7-8 mil per and won’t take slightly less to stay with the rangers.
Georgiev is supposed to be good enough to beat anyone, no? You can do it, Xandar!
Grabby- You were the chosen one Wicky!!! You were my brother Wickykin!!!
Wicky- I hate you!!!!
Grabby- Well then you are lost. It said you were to save crease clearing defenseman not destroy them!!!
Wicky-You underestimate my powers!!
Grabby-š„±I’m on the ground…and I’m high… Dont try it!=
Wicky-š±(does a flip)
Grabby-“you shall not pass”!!!…… Go!!! Oh and dont collect 200 dollars!!!!!
Tommy theres no doubt he has played himself into being traded. Hes been productive and will get 7+ from someone. Time to have signed him was 3 months ago. Gorton covets this stacked draft and I don’t blame him
Tommy I covet 3 people in this world. My sexy next door neighbor, nicki minaj fat rump and Alexander Holts. Ok and Byfield but that ain’t happening. Only way we can move up is if we use the 1st we get for kreids then maybe we can get a holtz, lucas or byfrost
Byfield aint happening so idk why i said that. Ok time to go practice thinking again. If I don’t practice thinking I post comments like the last one
Zubov stuff I wrote about earlier almost entirely wrong. Forgot how to sort.
I like my own comments is that frowned upon here? š¤£
Its all good Norm. I didn’t even have my brain turned on when I was posting comments before
Reading some of the recent posts I wonder if JR has started posting here seeing as he has time on his hands now.
Shesty has never been an every game guy. He split games in the KHL and the AHL. They need to play him for a string of games to make sure he is up to it. Hank is No. 3 on the depth chart now. He and the team need to find a way for a soft landing for him.
Grabby
Ah I love the Revenge of the Sith!
JR āI bang louder than a firecrackerā
Sweet mary magdalene
I’ll tell ya old ranger fan….
Ya gnomesayin? Am I right or am I right? Or is I right?
Ackbar-i knows it thats why i said it!!š
Not only do I like my own comments, I also sniff my own comments
E3- I’m so glad you’re still part of the crew here. You always cracked me up!!!
I’m tolerable in small doses so I’m gonna invade another space. I’ll be back when you least expect it. Go Rangers!!
Grabby gabby goo….how be you?
Over/under as to the number of pucks that Fast cant handle in the offense zone? I say 3.
So if Georgiev gets shellacked do we have to become concerned that Quinn has officially blown the 3 goalie management thing?
Kid doesnāt sound like he cares if heās a Ranger
Good that Q has explained to Henrik what his role has become and will be, at least circuitously through the Press. Now what?
Many talented young foreigners want to play for the Yankees or NY Rangers and have a Trump Tower or Fifth Avenue address, all of which goes over big in their hometowns. When they mature, they play a different game. Maybe Georgie has matured in that sense.
Georgie with the shutout tonight making the statement that he is 1B (still leaving Hank’s hair at 2 and Hank at 3)
Beezle
I admire your optimism!
I wonder what Hank is thinking when he wakes up in the morning?
Old man take a look at my life ima lot liiiike youuuu
NEW POST
That was in response to Minx lol
Georgie screeching like a Banshee at zebras after that last Minny gial. Nothing from SalmonJoe. Are they present at the game?