If Callahan is bought out in TB do u bring him here on the cheap ?
Would probably play a Quinn game and provide good leadership. Full circle end to career?
I know people didn’t like him playing hardball in negotiations but it’s a business and I don’t blame him for making more money while he could. Teams don’t treat players with loyalty so I don’t expect players agents to be pushovers either.
cregg7
Would rather have cally on 4th line than Vinny Letters
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Again, howden is the best of the 3 guys being mentioned and looks to be the one that has the best chance to be a long term productive nhler.
Andersson and chytil obviously still can as well. I think chytil has the most skill upside, but has the least amount of nhl tools of the 3.
Anyone or any pick within the organization should be available in the right trade, but howden is one of the last few names I’d be offering.
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Any deal with Winnipeg involving laine would have to include the #2 pick I’d assume.
cregg7
Would not give up Kakko for Laine
Why pay a Finn 10mil/yr when you can have one on ELC for years
Would definitely part with #20 and some assets to improve the team now or move into the top 12 or so.
Pete
Ilb, i mean if we were willing to part with top prospects and that was what WPG wanted then yes we could match up with others. However my point was our young guys currently in the NHL aren’t overwhelming yet and not sure that Chytil or Lias in particular have great value as compared to what other teams could offer.
So that’s why i said WPG likely would see Howden, Fox and a 1st as more likely starting point (that is without dipping into the Kravtsovs and Millers of our system) than Lias/Chytil, a 1st and Pionk, as too much unknown with that package in my opinion
Old Ranger Fan
So 19 more days of Hughes vs. Kakko punctuated by a Bruins Cup win? Blues gave up four PP goals on 4 shots. I guess they can’t get any worse. Rask was good when he had to be in the first. Binnington wasn’t. Game pretty much over.
Bdl
People keep saying Chytil, or Lias is not as good as what other teams can offer. Who are these players other teams can offer?
cregg7
Surprised there weren’t more Scraps last night when the game was out of hand
Blues shoulda been slashing and beating on Marchand, Don’t-check-me Bergeron , Pasternak etc couldn’t believe they were seeing some later shifts up that many
Would loved to see maroon fight chara or mcavoy
Pete
Wick, i agree Howden is the safest of the three at the moment, but too early to say who is the best and don’t think he has anywhere near the pure offensive talent or upside as Chytil.
But wouldn’t it stand to reason that to get a potential top pair defenseman we’d have to be very willing to part with howden and that likely isn’t even that steep a price to pay when Howden could be just a good third line center at the end of the day?
cregg7
Granted I dozed off last 2 minutes so I may have missed some fights?
SN
Peg doesn’t want a step back but a step forward, their window is now
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Because they have drafted so well, they have some options but also some top heavy deals for vets still productive but waning years are coming.
Combining Trouba with Little may make it more palatable for Jets; not that I want Little’s deal on the books but need backline help. He could be 2C for the next couple of years.
Pete
BDL, i’m not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of every team’s prospect pool or current NHL rosters, but i have seen enough of Chytil thus far to say that while he has potentially great offensive tools, he is still a very raw player and far from clear he will put that all together and have a long NHL career and as far as Lias i see a young player who has the right drive and character, but subpar skating and thus far little evidence he has the offensive tools to be more than a 3rd or 4th line center.
I mean do you disagree and think either or both are sure things? if so, then fine, but Trouba is a proven asset so don’t think WPG is going to satisfied with such an uncertain return for him.
Bdl
I don’t thing either are sure things. Lias is more likely to hit his ceiling. But isn’t that exactly what other teams would offer? Guys that are unproven, but could be something?
ilb2001
I suspect that a lot of professional NHL scouts have a totally different view on which one of Andersson, Chytil, or Howden they would ask for in a trade than most of us do.
Pete
agree there Ilb!
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Pete
I said chytil had the highest skill upside so I’m not sure if you missed that (sorry my post was a bit long), but if you are selling howden as just a 3C, then chytil is probably at best a bottom 6 forward with some 2nd pp time like a pirri type.
I’m basing that on howden having the same number of points basically, in less games and with lesser offencively talented linemates.
Since you seem to think initially (not a dig, not trying to start a spat, just a respectful observation) howden is just a 3C, he was significantly better than chytil last season in most nhl areas and no less than equal in the rest, so chytil must project no better than 3rd liner at the maximum in your eyes despite his offencive skill upside, no?
Personally I think chytil is a 40-50 point nhler and howden is a 2C.
Pete
hard to project what Chytil is to be honest, which is the issue. if it works out i think he is a top 6 forward who can put up more than 50 pts. If it doesn’t then yes a Pirri type or playing in Europe. But i wouldn’t want him to be the best asset in a deal for Trouba if i’m on the other side that I know
i’m equally as unsure of Howden being a 2nd line center offensively, but do think it’s a safe bet he can at worst carve out a good career as a 3rd or 4th line center.
But say he can be a 2nd line center, do you think that’s a fair sacrifice for Trouba (who would be signed longterm if we got him)? Or do you think Howden’s long term value to us is greater than Trouba’s would be?
Beezle
BDL we know you prefer Hughes over Kakko but was it necessary to make that long entry on your other blog last night trying to get the Devs to go Kakko?
Bdl
The bigger question is, is Chytil long term value greater than Howdens long term value.
ilb2001
Nobody knows, BDL. Howden is as likely to become a 2nd line center as Chytil is likely to become a 30 goal scorer. Too early to predict any of that. Same goes for Andersson. But if I want to take an unknown, I go for skills first.
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Pete
It’s a good question re howden for trouba in a deal.
If you think chytil is the better prospect of the 3 then wouldn’t that be the guy Winnipeg would want?
To answer your question, yes I would include howden but you then give up the 2nd best centre currently in your organization so you’d definitely want to address that immediately via another trade or free agency.
Howden is a commodity the rangers don’t have a lot of, 200 ft player with offencive upside.
Bdl
So who is untouchable in a Trouba deal. For me,
Kravtsov, Miller, and Kakko are the prospects for me.
The would prefer not to guys,
Howden, Fox, Shestorkin.
James G
Let me just lay out some facts that prove a few statements right/wrong on this topic.
1- like ILB and others have mentioned- just because sour jaded Rangers fans that think they know it all are down on Andersson and Chytil doesn’t mean the league or anyone with a grip on reality feels the same way:)
2- part of the decision to part ways with Trouba is that Winnipeg has defensive prospects that they feel can step into his role. So discussing giving them someone on D (probably that you aren’t a fan of) is a bit off the mark.
3- Its Cheveldayoff’s job to over ask and its Gortons job to under offer. In the end these deals usually work out to the polar opposite of what we guess will happen. I know this much- Winnipeg is in no position with their cap to take on a big mger contract such as Namestnikov, Skjei etc
So it will be prospects and guys on ElCs like I had said to Pete earlier.
4- in the early 2000s I actually had the privilege of chatting up JD at an event. It was before the Bure acquisition. And to paraphrase his words “it’s all about the asking price and if both teams can come up with something realistic” as in its never cut and dry from the original ask.
James G
Pretty much agree BDL. Doubt Winnipeg would want a goalie considering they have CH and just extended Brosoit. If the ask was Kravtsov I think JG counters with Chytil. If the ask is Howden I think he counters with Lias.
As for Blue liners I think Lindgren or Hajek’s name may come up. Rykov too.
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Other than James apparent petulant and snarky #1 because someone mentioned his boy earlier, the other 3 are pretty lucid and reasonable statements 😉
James G
I’m guessing that by your instant defensive and adjective laced over reaction you must have mentioned one of those dudes not being good enough Wick? Lol
Pete
Never said Chytil is the better prospect, just more offensive upside albeit with a greater risk as well.
I think Winnipeg will want a lot and neither Howden nor Chytil would be the best asset they’d be demanding if smart.
BDL, Kakko/Hughes, Kravtsov and Igor are definite no goes and Miller would be close to that, but do think he has enough risk of his own of being able to put it all together and be a stud defenseman when all
is said and done. However if we were parting with Miller the other assets would be lesser of course
James G
Nah all kidding aside-forget the aforementioned prospects. Generally we don’t always see things objectively (most fans. Hate blanket statements) and we don’t know what professional opinion are in actuality.
That’s why a lot of times we think we’ll see the Rangers get a bundle and they get half a bag in a trade
And when we think it’s going to cost an arm and a leg a deal goes down and our jaws drop a bit. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
James G
The ‘Peg will want a lot because it’s their job to want a lot. Like someone mentioned earlier though, teams know that they really don’t have a choice if they don’t want to lose him for nothing.
Think Gorton dropping the ball w the Yandle timeline and even with Hayes.
Timing is a big part of these things too. I don’t know that this gets settled for any tram over draft weekend.
Pete
James, i only mentied Brady if WPG was convinced he was better than his recent showing because he is locked up to not a crazy contract and they may also lose myers this offseason too. agree though it’s likely wishful thinking on my part
It was you I believe who mentioned Pionk or Tony d, no?
agree both sides have to come to an accord, but Gorton countering each ask with a different player and them seemingly being of lesser talent (Kravtsov to Chytil and Howden to lias) and greater risk (Chytil and Lias) doesn’t seem the best way to such an accord
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Lmao, Ilb makes it sound like what we say here becomes law in the nhl.
Some of you guys need to relax a little bit, we are just speculating here supposedly amongst blogging friends.
James G
Re: our defensive prospects- there really are a good amount of promising players that they’ve collected. I wish half of them were right handed. At the end of the day we’ll have a team with 3 or 4 of them. Can’t play 6 LHD at once. So some are going at some point
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I found out the other day when a juice box and colouring book safe space millennial type person calls someone “defencive” or says that someone is “being defencive” it means they are upset and hurt because they feel like they should be able to insult and/or criticize people without being responded to in like kind or called out about it.
I guess that makes sense why James brings that up immediately after be the first to post snarky stuff in a convo.
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SkjeL really does make a lot of sense for an upgrade on the right D side.
ilb2001
Do we need a new post?
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Ilb
Why because James is being petulant and crying because he’s being held accountable for insults?
Bdl
James,
I’m certainly down on Chytil, for reasons we gave discussed here many times. But I have not given up on him. I’m not down on Andersson at all. I think his skating lacks, but the rest of his game translates to being a solid NHL player.
Bdl
It would hurt me more to trade Andersson than it would Chytil.
Bdl
I think both Howden and Andersson make significant jumps this up coming season. Would love to see Chytil do the same, but I am not quite as confident about him.
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Bdl
I’d agree with all that. Chytil to this point seems to have the least transferable to the nhl skill set of the 3 despite having the highest offencive skill set of the trio.
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IMHO of course.
ilb2001
Ok, so no new post.
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You’re the boss, call the shot.
James G
ILB if we aren’t getting a new post can we at least import some cheese to go with Wickys wine? 🙂
James G
I don’t understand for over value Chytil contrary to some beliefs.
With that said you have to give to get and a top pairing righty Dman at 25 y/o will cost you.
Chytil fits Quinn’s style the least. What you sacrifice in skill you make up for with Kravtsov and Kakko (ideally)
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Wow, what a whiny little biatch James can be.
Everyone having a normal back and forth hockey convo, james puts up a post with a couple insults and gets called out about it…..here’s the best part
According to James it’s someone else fault…
Lmmfao
What a baby!
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Oh, I’m supposed to put in the “;)” to make it seem like a joke, my bad
😉
SN
Does including B Little with Trouba the Tuba Player provide Peggie Sue motivation for a deal. If Howden, ’19 R1, TDA and Rykov go the other way. Little is starting to wane. Howdy can step into 3C role now. NYR gets a Vet 2-way center to balance the lines.
Let’s Peg re-sign Laine and Connor while moving up next gen into the mix with the current group.
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How many years does little have left on his contract?
Bdl
4 at 5.2
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Call up a hammerhead corvette, I have an idea.
ilb2001
5, BDl. CapFriendly has already rolled into 2019-20 season. Little will be 36 when his contract expires. No, thanks.
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4 at 5.2…? Too bad the term isn’t shorter.
I’d rather have getzlaf at less term and higher cap hit but he’s not on the jets so kinda a moot point.
Bdl
Signed it in 2017. Guess he had a year left on his previous when he did.
Not sure who it was earlier but anyone else not do the number #2 for laine?
Bdl
I agree with the person that said no, and for the reason they said no.
cregg7
Ilb. May as well do a new post. This one is broken. I talked to myself all day. 😉
cregg7
Oh. Never mind. It works. Wicky and bDL saw my laine and #2 opinion
Phew 😅. Thought I had a defective username
Bdl
I wasn’t sure who it was Cregg. I think you were also the guy who was on Kravtsov last year. Am I mistaken?
SN
So wouldn’t get a top pair D-man and a vet #2 center for 3 waning years of said center’s contract. Let’s hope Montreal sends over another McD because most of you are in dream land on the assets going back from NYR to obtain Trouba.
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Yeah, you’re good cregg.
cregg7
BdL. Wish I could claim credit on Kravstov. I will admit it took me a few hours after he was drafted of reading about him and hearing what some other more even keeled people started to say about him for me to come around on OTBG and realize he may be right to pick him over wahlstrom. Real Time I was screaming at the TV for wahlstrom.
Bdl
Well then I can’t remember who it was. I know there was somebody here that thought that the Rangers may, and should take Kravtsov.
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I remover that draft thread last year, a lot of wahlstroms, I was saying Bouchard, I think kravtsov was pretty much off all our “expert” radar.
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Lol remover…it’s like remember but different
cregg7
I think I remember DaveB working through it reasonably. He started out wahlstrom but then talked us off a ledge with thinking it through.
Bdl
I predicted Wahlstrom would be there for the Rangers, and they wouldn’t take him. Not sure if I had a pick as to who i thought they were taking.
Bdl
I do remember being very happy with the Miller pick. I’m liked him
a lot.
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Iirc, I was ok with the pick, just thought what they paid to move up was too much.
James G
You’re right BDL. No one had mentioned Kravtsov and then I think it was the day before or the day of the seat someone posted something along the lines of “do you guys think there’s a chance they’d take Kravtsov who is anticipated to get around 10?”
Alex
maybe it was Anthony since he follows the prospects closely
cregg7
Was thinking maybe it was Anthony as well
cregg7
Doodie will probably take credit though. 🤣
Old Ranger Fan
So those who are advocating for Trouba, do you see him as a #1 D who plays in all situations (25+ minutes a game)? Where is he in relation to elite D like say Hedman or Doughty? Is he better than McD was for the Rangers? I haven’t seem him play that much so I don’t have a strong opinion, but, given what he will cost in cap space and assets the answer to some of these questions should be yes to have the trade make sense. If he is just top 4 the price is too high.
cregg7
Just read Writeup on cozens in Athletic from pronman
All I could think of as I read was he sounds like the center Version of Kreider .
Wheels and power , very fast for 6’3
Can be physical but not always looking to lay guys out
A beast moving through neutral zone
Pedestrian hands and puck skills
Ok hockey IQ
cregg7
If we keep pick 20 I think I want Lavoie
6’4
Deceiving speed
NHL caliber shot
Skilled for a big man
Good defensively. Played PK
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ORF
I’d say he’s close to a 1D. Not quite as “flashy” as the other two you mentioned.
Like a lot of other guys that have been mentioned here as trade or free agent acquisitions he’d instantly become our best d man by quite a bit.
I know, not saying much 😉
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Someone said the other day lavoie might not make it past Montreal…might be pretty accurate.
James G
Orf, Trouba is a clear cut RHD1. And in my opinion not just on our roster.
At 25 years old he’s less of a risk than committing similar money to Karlsson and gives them a degree of physicality and defensive awareness they haven’t had long term for a little while.
He’s not a franchise Dman but he’s clearly a cut above anyone currently in the organization. Especially on the right side
tomk19
ORF-im no Trouba expert, but he’s in his prime. He’s right-handed. Plays with an edge. 6’3″ 202 lb.s
James,
I’ll apologize publicly for earlier. I thought you were adding snarky insults in your point #1 to all in a general sense (which would have included me) with your “sour ranger fans” and “know it alls” being plurals.
Since you clarified it via text with me that those comments were directed specifically at Pete and not everyone else, I apologize.
I’d love to take credit for Kravtsov, but I don’t think it was me because I just checked my 2018 Draft previews and I didn’t have him on the Rangers radar. I might have mentioned him among the Boneheads, but I doubt it because I had him going at #15. I did push for Miller and Keane so I will take credit for them 🙂
I am not as high on Lavoie as other are. First off, the Montreal-born Lavoie has also the markings of a Habs pick. Also, he did not show much offensive progress from 17/18 (30-33-63) than he did in 18/19 (32-41-73). I have not seen him play in the Memorial Cup so I can’t speak to how he is doing in elevated competition.
Just checked his playoff stats (not sure if it includes Memorial Cup but he has 2 goals and 1 assist in 4 games), but he has 20 goals and 12 assists in 23 games so that makes up for a lower point increase from last year to this year.
Forgot to make add that not all point increases are created equal. Brett Leason is a big center (6-5/198) who should be around at #20. In his first two years in the WHL he tallied 18 and 33 points. In his second year he was traded from Tri City to Prince Albert. Prior to the trade, he has been a fourth liner. In 109 games with PA, he has 121 points including 36 goals and 53 assists this year – plus 10 goals and 15 assists in 22 playoff games (no points in three Memorial Cup games).
The problem is one pointed out by a scout in THN, Did Leason’s light finally flip on because he reached his potential or is it because he is an older player (born April 1999)?
cooscoos
I want to see someone here who lights this league up. I don’t care what his name is.
jpp
Flyers GM chuck fletcher did an interview and when asked about his RFAs, he said he expected all to be signed but leaguewkde there’s a sense that the RFA structure has changed and the players want to wait until July 1st bc
“but I think there’s a sense from the other side, for all of them, this will be a market-changing summer, and I don’t think anybody wants to get in front of that.”
SN
Is Trouble going to win the Norris trophy?
Nope but if he would, we wouldn’t be having this convo
CCCP
THE Kakko… that is all.
Old Ranger Fan
No disrespect to Kid K, but, I have set the bar a little higher for the new KK.
So Trouba looks to be at least as good as McD. Howden, their first, and Names?
Pete
and you know wick if that was directed to me, not a big deal at all. don’t take anything here personally, it’s a hockey blog!
jpp
It’s kind of a hockey blog
A one of a kind hockey blog
SN
Toronto has great basketball fans; do they have a hockey team too?
CCCP
Boy names that are popular in America for $500, Alex.
As good as Karlsson’s stats have been, I fear a sudden decline during his next contract. He’s been banged up a bit the past few years and if he loses a step (or a few brain cells) we end up with the Wrath of the Big Contract, Kirk II. I also think that kind of defensemen is best added last, when you are certain the team is set up to go deep in the playoffs. Rather concentrate on getting a solid stay at home type that knows when to join in.
Beezle
Ilb – remember, 679 more comments or a new gametime, which ever comes first 🙂
James G
All good fellas. If Kocur and Probert can drop the gloves with each other then Wick and I can have a spat now and again. 😀 😀
Pete- I haven’t know you as long as I’ve known some others and we’ve certainly disagreed at times. With that said, I hope you know as well that this is all in good fun and I respect your opinion even when I don’t agree with it.
If all we did around here was agreed with each other all day it’d be a bit boring.
cooscoos
According to Pete, nothing of note going on here; it’s just a hockey blog. It’s not sneezeworthy.
no complaints on my end James. you and wick want to text and make up it’s fine by me! i’ll stick to picking apart your trade proposals and vice versa
cregg7
Would be very disappointed if they signed Karlsson long term. Need a break from aging vets.
It will be a contract that costs a lot to buyout when his wheels fall off.
If we think shartys contract is a tough pill, karlsons will be a nightmare in a few short years.
SN
Cregg – 1000%; could not imagine them doing so or the Azzdancers for that matter.
St Pete Eli
I’m trusting that the Fox signing in and of itself is saying no thanks to Karlsson.
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If Callahan is bought out in TB do u bring him here on the cheap ?
Would probably play a Quinn game and provide good leadership. Full circle end to career?
I know people didn’t like him playing hardball in negotiations but it’s a business and I don’t blame him for making more money while he could. Teams don’t treat players with loyalty so I don’t expect players agents to be pushovers either.
Would rather have cally on 4th line than Vinny Letters
Again, howden is the best of the 3 guys being mentioned and looks to be the one that has the best chance to be a long term productive nhler.
Andersson and chytil obviously still can as well. I think chytil has the most skill upside, but has the least amount of nhl tools of the 3.
Anyone or any pick within the organization should be available in the right trade, but howden is one of the last few names I’d be offering.
Any deal with Winnipeg involving laine would have to include the #2 pick I’d assume.
Would not give up Kakko for Laine
Why pay a Finn 10mil/yr when you can have one on ELC for years
Would definitely part with #20 and some assets to improve the team now or move into the top 12 or so.
Ilb, i mean if we were willing to part with top prospects and that was what WPG wanted then yes we could match up with others. However my point was our young guys currently in the NHL aren’t overwhelming yet and not sure that Chytil or Lias in particular have great value as compared to what other teams could offer.
So that’s why i said WPG likely would see Howden, Fox and a 1st as more likely starting point (that is without dipping into the Kravtsovs and Millers of our system) than Lias/Chytil, a 1st and Pionk, as too much unknown with that package in my opinion
So 19 more days of Hughes vs. Kakko punctuated by a Bruins Cup win? Blues gave up four PP goals on 4 shots. I guess they can’t get any worse. Rask was good when he had to be in the first. Binnington wasn’t. Game pretty much over.
People keep saying Chytil, or Lias is not as good as what other teams can offer. Who are these players other teams can offer?
Surprised there weren’t more Scraps last night when the game was out of hand
Blues shoulda been slashing and beating on Marchand, Don’t-check-me Bergeron , Pasternak etc couldn’t believe they were seeing some later shifts up that many
Would loved to see maroon fight chara or mcavoy
Wick, i agree Howden is the safest of the three at the moment, but too early to say who is the best and don’t think he has anywhere near the pure offensive talent or upside as Chytil.
But wouldn’t it stand to reason that to get a potential top pair defenseman we’d have to be very willing to part with howden and that likely isn’t even that steep a price to pay when Howden could be just a good third line center at the end of the day?
Granted I dozed off last 2 minutes so I may have missed some fights?
Peg doesn’t want a step back but a step forward, their window is now
.
Because they have drafted so well, they have some options but also some top heavy deals for vets still productive but waning years are coming.
Combining Trouba with Little may make it more palatable for Jets; not that I want Little’s deal on the books but need backline help. He could be 2C for the next couple of years.
BDL, i’m not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of every team’s prospect pool or current NHL rosters, but i have seen enough of Chytil thus far to say that while he has potentially great offensive tools, he is still a very raw player and far from clear he will put that all together and have a long NHL career and as far as Lias i see a young player who has the right drive and character, but subpar skating and thus far little evidence he has the offensive tools to be more than a 3rd or 4th line center.
I mean do you disagree and think either or both are sure things? if so, then fine, but Trouba is a proven asset so don’t think WPG is going to satisfied with such an uncertain return for him.
I don’t thing either are sure things. Lias is more likely to hit his ceiling. But isn’t that exactly what other teams would offer? Guys that are unproven, but could be something?
I suspect that a lot of professional NHL scouts have a totally different view on which one of Andersson, Chytil, or Howden they would ask for in a trade than most of us do.
agree there Ilb!
Pete
I said chytil had the highest skill upside so I’m not sure if you missed that (sorry my post was a bit long), but if you are selling howden as just a 3C, then chytil is probably at best a bottom 6 forward with some 2nd pp time like a pirri type.
I’m basing that on howden having the same number of points basically, in less games and with lesser offencively talented linemates.
Since you seem to think initially (not a dig, not trying to start a spat, just a respectful observation) howden is just a 3C, he was significantly better than chytil last season in most nhl areas and no less than equal in the rest, so chytil must project no better than 3rd liner at the maximum in your eyes despite his offencive skill upside, no?
Personally I think chytil is a 40-50 point nhler and howden is a 2C.
hard to project what Chytil is to be honest, which is the issue. if it works out i think he is a top 6 forward who can put up more than 50 pts. If it doesn’t then yes a Pirri type or playing in Europe. But i wouldn’t want him to be the best asset in a deal for Trouba if i’m on the other side that I know
i’m equally as unsure of Howden being a 2nd line center offensively, but do think it’s a safe bet he can at worst carve out a good career as a 3rd or 4th line center.
But say he can be a 2nd line center, do you think that’s a fair sacrifice for Trouba (who would be signed longterm if we got him)? Or do you think Howden’s long term value to us is greater than Trouba’s would be?
BDL we know you prefer Hughes over Kakko but was it necessary to make that long entry on your other blog last night trying to get the Devs to go Kakko?
The bigger question is, is Chytil long term value greater than Howdens long term value.
Nobody knows, BDL. Howden is as likely to become a 2nd line center as Chytil is likely to become a 30 goal scorer. Too early to predict any of that. Same goes for Andersson. But if I want to take an unknown, I go for skills first.
Pete
It’s a good question re howden for trouba in a deal.
If you think chytil is the better prospect of the 3 then wouldn’t that be the guy Winnipeg would want?
To answer your question, yes I would include howden but you then give up the 2nd best centre currently in your organization so you’d definitely want to address that immediately via another trade or free agency.
Howden is a commodity the rangers don’t have a lot of, 200 ft player with offencive upside.
So who is untouchable in a Trouba deal. For me,
Kravtsov, Miller, and Kakko are the prospects for me.
The would prefer not to guys,
Howden, Fox, Shestorkin.
Let me just lay out some facts that prove a few statements right/wrong on this topic.
1- like ILB and others have mentioned- just because sour jaded Rangers fans that think they know it all are down on Andersson and Chytil doesn’t mean the league or anyone with a grip on reality feels the same way:)
2- part of the decision to part ways with Trouba is that Winnipeg has defensive prospects that they feel can step into his role. So discussing giving them someone on D (probably that you aren’t a fan of) is a bit off the mark.
3- Its Cheveldayoff’s job to over ask and its Gortons job to under offer. In the end these deals usually work out to the polar opposite of what we guess will happen. I know this much- Winnipeg is in no position with their cap to take on a big mger contract such as Namestnikov, Skjei etc
So it will be prospects and guys on ElCs like I had said to Pete earlier.
4- in the early 2000s I actually had the privilege of chatting up JD at an event. It was before the Bure acquisition. And to paraphrase his words “it’s all about the asking price and if both teams can come up with something realistic” as in its never cut and dry from the original ask.
Pretty much agree BDL. Doubt Winnipeg would want a goalie considering they have CH and just extended Brosoit. If the ask was Kravtsov I think JG counters with Chytil. If the ask is Howden I think he counters with Lias.
As for Blue liners I think Lindgren or Hajek’s name may come up. Rykov too.
Other than James apparent petulant and snarky #1 because someone mentioned his boy earlier, the other 3 are pretty lucid and reasonable statements 😉
I’m guessing that by your instant defensive and adjective laced over reaction you must have mentioned one of those dudes not being good enough Wick? Lol
Never said Chytil is the better prospect, just more offensive upside albeit with a greater risk as well.
I think Winnipeg will want a lot and neither Howden nor Chytil would be the best asset they’d be demanding if smart.
BDL, Kakko/Hughes, Kravtsov and Igor are definite no goes and Miller would be close to that, but do think he has enough risk of his own of being able to put it all together and be a stud defenseman when all
is said and done. However if we were parting with Miller the other assets would be lesser of course
Nah all kidding aside-forget the aforementioned prospects. Generally we don’t always see things objectively (most fans. Hate blanket statements) and we don’t know what professional opinion are in actuality.
That’s why a lot of times we think we’ll see the Rangers get a bundle and they get half a bag in a trade
And when we think it’s going to cost an arm and a leg a deal goes down and our jaws drop a bit. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
The ‘Peg will want a lot because it’s their job to want a lot. Like someone mentioned earlier though, teams know that they really don’t have a choice if they don’t want to lose him for nothing.
Think Gorton dropping the ball w the Yandle timeline and even with Hayes.
Timing is a big part of these things too. I don’t know that this gets settled for any tram over draft weekend.
James, i only mentied Brady if WPG was convinced he was better than his recent showing because he is locked up to not a crazy contract and they may also lose myers this offseason too. agree though it’s likely wishful thinking on my part
It was you I believe who mentioned Pionk or Tony d, no?
agree both sides have to come to an accord, but Gorton countering each ask with a different player and them seemingly being of lesser talent (Kravtsov to Chytil and Howden to lias) and greater risk (Chytil and Lias) doesn’t seem the best way to such an accord
Lmao, Ilb makes it sound like what we say here becomes law in the nhl.
Some of you guys need to relax a little bit, we are just speculating here supposedly amongst blogging friends.
Re: our defensive prospects- there really are a good amount of promising players that they’ve collected. I wish half of them were right handed. At the end of the day we’ll have a team with 3 or 4 of them. Can’t play 6 LHD at once. So some are going at some point
I found out the other day when a juice box and colouring book safe space millennial type person calls someone “defencive” or says that someone is “being defencive” it means they are upset and hurt because they feel like they should be able to insult and/or criticize people without being responded to in like kind or called out about it.
I guess that makes sense why James brings that up immediately after be the first to post snarky stuff in a convo.
SkjeL really does make a lot of sense for an upgrade on the right D side.
Do we need a new post?
Ilb
Why because James is being petulant and crying because he’s being held accountable for insults?
James,
I’m certainly down on Chytil, for reasons we gave discussed here many times. But I have not given up on him. I’m not down on Andersson at all. I think his skating lacks, but the rest of his game translates to being a solid NHL player.
It would hurt me more to trade Andersson than it would Chytil.
I think both Howden and Andersson make significant jumps this up coming season. Would love to see Chytil do the same, but I am not quite as confident about him.
Bdl
I’d agree with all that. Chytil to this point seems to have the least transferable to the nhl skill set of the 3 despite having the highest offencive skill set of the trio.
IMHO of course.
Ok, so no new post.
You’re the boss, call the shot.
ILB if we aren’t getting a new post can we at least import some cheese to go with Wickys wine? 🙂
I don’t understand for over value Chytil contrary to some beliefs.
With that said you have to give to get and a top pairing righty Dman at 25 y/o will cost you.
Chytil fits Quinn’s style the least. What you sacrifice in skill you make up for with Kravtsov and Kakko (ideally)
Wow, what a whiny little biatch James can be.
Everyone having a normal back and forth hockey convo, james puts up a post with a couple insults and gets called out about it…..here’s the best part
According to James it’s someone else fault…
Lmmfao
What a baby!
Oh, I’m supposed to put in the “;)” to make it seem like a joke, my bad
😉
Does including B Little with Trouba the Tuba Player provide Peggie Sue motivation for a deal. If Howden, ’19 R1, TDA and Rykov go the other way. Little is starting to wane. Howdy can step into 3C role now. NYR gets a Vet 2-way center to balance the lines.
Let’s Peg re-sign Laine and Connor while moving up next gen into the mix with the current group.
How many years does little have left on his contract?
4 at 5.2
Call up a hammerhead corvette, I have an idea.
5, BDl. CapFriendly has already rolled into 2019-20 season. Little will be 36 when his contract expires. No, thanks.
4 at 5.2…? Too bad the term isn’t shorter.
I’d rather have getzlaf at less term and higher cap hit but he’s not on the jets so kinda a moot point.
Signed it in 2017. Guess he had a year left on his previous when he did.
https://www.capfriendly.com/players/bryan-little
Not a fan of that contract term for little.
Not sure who it was earlier but anyone else not do the number #2 for laine?
I agree with the person that said no, and for the reason they said no.
Ilb. May as well do a new post. This one is broken. I talked to myself all day. 😉
Oh. Never mind. It works. Wicky and bDL saw my laine and #2 opinion
Phew 😅. Thought I had a defective username
I wasn’t sure who it was Cregg. I think you were also the guy who was on Kravtsov last year. Am I mistaken?
So wouldn’t get a top pair D-man and a vet #2 center for 3 waning years of said center’s contract. Let’s hope Montreal sends over another McD because most of you are in dream land on the assets going back from NYR to obtain Trouba.
Yeah, you’re good cregg.
BdL. Wish I could claim credit on Kravstov. I will admit it took me a few hours after he was drafted of reading about him and hearing what some other more even keeled people started to say about him for me to come around on OTBG and realize he may be right to pick him over wahlstrom. Real Time I was screaming at the TV for wahlstrom.
Well then I can’t remember who it was. I know there was somebody here that thought that the Rangers may, and should take Kravtsov.
I remover that draft thread last year, a lot of wahlstroms, I was saying Bouchard, I think kravtsov was pretty much off all our “expert” radar.
Lol remover…it’s like remember but different
I think I remember DaveB working through it reasonably. He started out wahlstrom but then talked us off a ledge with thinking it through.
I predicted Wahlstrom would be there for the Rangers, and they wouldn’t take him. Not sure if I had a pick as to who i thought they were taking.
I do remember being very happy with the Miller pick. I’m liked him
a lot.
Iirc, I was ok with the pick, just thought what they paid to move up was too much.
You’re right BDL. No one had mentioned Kravtsov and then I think it was the day before or the day of the seat someone posted something along the lines of “do you guys think there’s a chance they’d take Kravtsov who is anticipated to get around 10?”
maybe it was Anthony since he follows the prospects closely
Was thinking maybe it was Anthony as well
Doodie will probably take credit though. 🤣
So those who are advocating for Trouba, do you see him as a #1 D who plays in all situations (25+ minutes a game)? Where is he in relation to elite D like say Hedman or Doughty? Is he better than McD was for the Rangers? I haven’t seem him play that much so I don’t have a strong opinion, but, given what he will cost in cap space and assets the answer to some of these questions should be yes to have the trade make sense. If he is just top 4 the price is too high.
Just read Writeup on cozens in Athletic from pronman
All I could think of as I read was he sounds like the center Version of Kreider .
Wheels and power , very fast for 6’3
Can be physical but not always looking to lay guys out
A beast moving through neutral zone
Pedestrian hands and puck skills
Ok hockey IQ
If we keep pick 20 I think I want Lavoie
6’4
Deceiving speed
NHL caliber shot
Skilled for a big man
Good defensively. Played PK
ORF
I’d say he’s close to a 1D. Not quite as “flashy” as the other two you mentioned.
Like a lot of other guys that have been mentioned here as trade or free agent acquisitions he’d instantly become our best d man by quite a bit.
I know, not saying much 😉
Someone said the other day lavoie might not make it past Montreal…might be pretty accurate.
Orf, Trouba is a clear cut RHD1. And in my opinion not just on our roster.
At 25 years old he’s less of a risk than committing similar money to Karlsson and gives them a degree of physicality and defensive awareness they haven’t had long term for a little while.
He’s not a franchise Dman but he’s clearly a cut above anyone currently in the organization. Especially on the right side
ORF-im no Trouba expert, but he’s in his prime. He’s right-handed. Plays with an edge. 6’3″ 202 lb.s
This should help:
http://www.sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/9544
James,
I’ll apologize publicly for earlier. I thought you were adding snarky insults in your point #1 to all in a general sense (which would have included me) with your “sour ranger fans” and “know it alls” being plurals.
Since you clarified it via text with me that those comments were directed specifically at Pete and not everyone else, I apologize.
👍
I’d love to take credit for Kravtsov, but I don’t think it was me because I just checked my 2018 Draft previews and I didn’t have him on the Rangers radar. I might have mentioned him among the Boneheads, but I doubt it because I had him going at #15. I did push for Miller and Keane so I will take credit for them 🙂
I am not as high on Lavoie as other are. First off, the Montreal-born Lavoie has also the markings of a Habs pick. Also, he did not show much offensive progress from 17/18 (30-33-63) than he did in 18/19 (32-41-73). I have not seen him play in the Memorial Cup so I can’t speak to how he is doing in elevated competition.
Just checked his playoff stats (not sure if it includes Memorial Cup but he has 2 goals and 1 assist in 4 games), but he has 20 goals and 12 assists in 23 games so that makes up for a lower point increase from last year to this year.
Forgot to make add that not all point increases are created equal. Brett Leason is a big center (6-5/198) who should be around at #20. In his first two years in the WHL he tallied 18 and 33 points. In his second year he was traded from Tri City to Prince Albert. Prior to the trade, he has been a fourth liner. In 109 games with PA, he has 121 points including 36 goals and 53 assists this year – plus 10 goals and 15 assists in 22 playoff games (no points in three Memorial Cup games).
The problem is one pointed out by a scout in THN, Did Leason’s light finally flip on because he reached his potential or is it because he is an older player (born April 1999)?
I want to see someone here who lights this league up. I don’t care what his name is.
Flyers GM chuck fletcher did an interview and when asked about his RFAs, he said he expected all to be signed but leaguewkde there’s a sense that the RFA structure has changed and the players want to wait until July 1st bc
“but I think there’s a sense from the other side, for all of them, this will be a market-changing summer, and I don’t think anybody wants to get in front of that.”
Is Trouble going to win the Norris trophy?
Nope but if he would, we wouldn’t be having this convo
THE Kakko… that is all.
No disrespect to Kid K, but, I have set the bar a little higher for the new KK.
So Trouba looks to be at least as good as McD. Howden, their first, and Names?
and you know wick if that was directed to me, not a big deal at all. don’t take anything here personally, it’s a hockey blog!
It’s kind of a hockey blog
A one of a kind hockey blog
Toronto has great basketball fans; do they have a hockey team too?
Boy names that are popular in America for $500, Alex.
“Jack, Cole, Case, Cam, Cade, Ryder, Ryan, Trevor…”
https://foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-interviewed-jack-hughes-alex-turcotte-dylan-cozens-and-others/
As good as Karlsson’s stats have been, I fear a sudden decline during his next contract. He’s been banged up a bit the past few years and if he loses a step (or a few brain cells) we end up with the Wrath of the Big Contract, Kirk II. I also think that kind of defensemen is best added last, when you are certain the team is set up to go deep in the playoffs. Rather concentrate on getting a solid stay at home type that knows when to join in.
Ilb – remember, 679 more comments or a new gametime, which ever comes first 🙂
All good fellas. If Kocur and Probert can drop the gloves with each other then Wick and I can have a spat now and again. 😀 😀
Pete- I haven’t know you as long as I’ve known some others and we’ve certainly disagreed at times. With that said, I hope you know as well that this is all in good fun and I respect your opinion even when I don’t agree with it.
If all we did around here was agreed with each other all day it’d be a bit boring.
According to Pete, nothing of note going on here; it’s just a hockey blog. It’s not sneezeworthy.
https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1135347076664057863
I think they can drink in Toronto.
no complaints on my end James. you and wick want to text and make up it’s fine by me! i’ll stick to picking apart your trade proposals and vice versa
Would be very disappointed if they signed Karlsson long term. Need a break from aging vets.
It will be a contract that costs a lot to buyout when his wheels fall off.
If we think shartys contract is a tough pill, karlsons will be a nightmare in a few short years.
Cregg – 1000%; could not imagine them doing so or the Azzdancers for that matter.
I’m trusting that the Fox signing in and of itself is saying no thanks to Karlsson.
NEW POST
I’m not going to have anything to say until ilb puts up a new post. You know he itching to do it.