Good morning, boneheads!
Kudos to MSG for making this night for many kids and adults who suffered, or still suffering from cancer, special. Was nice to be there and share the moment.
As for the game? Remember a couple of nights ago , against Washington, we said they won’t lose too many if they played like that? Well, they won’t win too many if they play the way they played last night. Ottawa is just a disaster in their own zone. But so were the Rangers. Sloppy coverage, wishful passes. Neutral zone turnovers. Let’s hope they clean it up, because this could lead to a long losing streak.
Zibanejad was their best forward by a mile, and he deserved that ENG.
Chytil looks very impressive in the offensive zone. If a defender doesn’t close up on him right away, they are in trouble. His passing is excellent, he almost set up Kreider for another goal from behind the net in the second. He has ways to go, as expected from a 19 yr old. His positioning in the O-zone, oftentimes, is such that he requires a battle against the boards to turn around. And he loses these battles too often still. And I’m not even going to start talking about his defensive game.
I find it much more difficult to evaluate small details of a game when I see it live, as opposed to from my couch. Carp, however, can do it ways better than any of us even if he does it from Eddie’s can.
Was nice to see it as usual, Rick!
UPDATE: Click here to read Carp’s game review
395 responses to “Rangers-4, Senators-2”
If you’ve never seen this Jeff Goldblum movie, look for it.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_race_for_the_double_helix/
Geeky 🤓 but cool 😎
Eddie x 3
Pulitzer worthy 😉
The leg bone’s connected to the knee bone….the knee bone is connected to the thigh bone…..
Pull Litser
3 days of catching up on posts and all Wicky has is a “Chytil fan boy” comment. If you’re playing catch up read the actual convo before making snide remarks brother
Nice to see Bruins going to retire Rick Middelton Jersey. Worst trade of last 50 years. Bruins get Hall of Famer who score’s over 400 goals; we get POS with 23 goals scored. I guess Espo was happy. Beside 79 Canadiens be an all world team,I still think Espo was one of the main reasons we did not win the cup in 1979. I never booed a Ranger in my life; but with Espo, Hodge and the rest of the garbage that came from Boston it was close.
At practice today:
Vesey/Hayes/Chytil
Kreider-Zika-Strome
Assuming that leaves Howden between Fast and Lias and then Fogarty and Gettinger left over while rolling 7 D
One more injury on the wing and they’re really going to be a mess.
Wicky
Does salt water freeze? It might be a great site for pond hockey
E3
Are you on the can?
Wee man groin update?
SN
Zucc didn’t practice and Quinn said he’s out for the weekend.
James
A bit touchy?
I mean the majority of posts were about nylander, Hayes vs Zibanejad (and subsequently potential deadline deals), 7 d men dressing possibly, and some people “raving” about the greatest pass in nhl history.
Admittedly, I should have included zucc’s groun and a beleskey update in my novel, but I didn’t feel it necessary.
Sorry if the “ chytil fanboys” comment affected you so deeply.
St Pete
Yes, if you pee in it first.
Is Nash better yet?
He always said..”I have to better “
HELLO FLORIDA!!!!
St.Pete…we received an offer on the house….hoping all goes well and that we can get down there asap…
Hopefully can ask u for some help/advice on apartment complexes in the Clearwater area
WAHOOOOOOOO
They probably asked Vladdy what his last name was and he responded Namestoolong…poof..instant concussion protocol
Vladdy was humming
Turn the bench around…
Got to have concussion….
While cleaning out the house I found among many other things…
A signed adam Oates stick in the garage
A signed Brian Skrudland pic
My sons # 44 Ryan Holweg Liberty jersey
A signed program by adam graves and glen Healy…
And a coaster from Charley O,s
Signed by Dan Newman and Lucien DeBlois…and for some reason Paul Stewart
fivefinns
I’ll do what I can not to knowledgeable on Clearwater but I have friends who live there.
I also still have a Ranger Program signed by Derek Sanderson I sheet you not
Unfortunately my Joe Cirella pajamas were a total loss
Thanks St Pete ..I’m going in blind
I just want to rent from here on out..I dont wanna own anything ever again
SN said hash
St Pete…I’m only targeting Clearwater because of some advice i got ..would u steer me in another direction if all we wanted to do was rent a 2 or 3 bedroom apartment?
Thanks very much
fivefinns
I’ll look into it and get back to you. Do you want to be near the beaches or more inland?
Thanks St Pete..originallywanted to be near beaches but sticker shock set in…maybe inland is more in our budget but dont know enough yet…
Our son is a pilot and we can fly standby as a benefit so was thinking maybe lake nona area south of airport in Orlando but dont know about that..always liked the idea of all those sunsets on the gulf side
fivefinns
Clearwater is actually what I would recommend as well.
Good guy, Eli.
‘Stock Market is just totally baffling in its erratic fluctuations.’
Not baffling, caused by tech.
Look up High Frequency Trading.
And yes, that’s a thing, and yes, it’s the root cause of huge swings in the market.
And the biggest reason I won’t put money in stocks anymore unless I could go really long term (minimum 5 years) on a stock, and unfortunately, tying up my money really long term isn’t a realistic strategy for me anymore.
It’s the people who have the money and direct connections to the exchanges, making short term bets (and making playing the market a suicide mission for the small investor) and playing a zero sum game with the rest of the investor world in doing so.
Watch the trades, the algorithm will buy a huge block of shares, 50,000 minimum, pre-opening, the stock will tick up, the market opens and the algorithm sells on the uptick. Meanwhile, the investors who bought that stock on the uptick, thinking it’s a genuine value increase, will get stuck with the downtick as their buy order goes in frozen on the uptick but the downtick is already occurring due to the selloff Rinse and repeat all day. The algorithm’s decide when to buy and when to sell, 100% pure, untouched by human hands.
Man Berube looks like he wants to throw nails….
fivefinns
Beaches are pricey for sure. I would be no help to you at all in the Orlando area.
Thank you St Pete..i appreciate any guidance I’m into the mid 60s now and want to get the hell outta NY
‘Thanks St Pete..originallywanted to be near beaches but sticker shock set in…maybe inland is more in our budget but dont know enough yet…’
Don’t worry, that’ll be beach front property soon enough.
Well we gave the house away to a flipper just to get out of it after all the storm damage so our nest egg took a hit
“Look up high frequency trading.” You think I just fell off a turnip truck? You have an uncomely condescending way about you. Work on that.
The Orlando option is strictly for access to the Mco airport and itsmanyflight options
Fivefinns Notax
After owning and fixing up a home for 36 years I’m fine with apartment living
Take a picture of Cuomo with you to remember him by. 🙂
I know coos… I’m loving the thought of it….
Cuomo and DiBlowsio can self combust…
You’re the one complaining about an erratic, I believe you said ‘baffling’ market. If you are aware of high frequency trading, why is it baffling? It’s completely, rationally understandable given the way the market is being gamed these days. These people don’t invest, they just game the system. And if you’re losing, they’re gaming you.
Is there an over under on how long hackstol remains Flyers coach?
After 3 trees coming thru the roof and thru the house I am not onboard with a rebuild…
Cant believe we got shut out by a Flyer goalie who is now on waivers a week later
Flyers get what they deserve…they have always under valued the goalie position..instead concentrating on trash like Gudas
When Doc screams ” and it wouldn’t go !!” I think that’s a short cut instead of describing was the shot wide? High? Eyc..just a gimmicky short cut way of descriptive play by play…same with “its waffleboarded”
I.mean I know hes a pro announcer and a legend in some circles..but I’mnot a fan of his style
I’ll take an Albert called game anyday…
C’mon Colorado, kick these guys butts!
Too simplistic, Aneirin. Little wonder that you have not participated in the rocket market the past few years.
Finns – Surrounded by yooge trees and I know what you mean. Scary during high-wind storms.
I don’t like DOC either nor do I like his station.
Philly fans won’t be happy until they ice creepy bullies and win games. Game winning come second.
LET’s GO ‘LANCHE
This Christmas marks the 57th anniversary of not receiving a G.I.Joe for Christmas
Happy To See You and The Wings give Berube another vein in the middle of his Forehead
You Gotta Love Hockey
but ugh first words I hear when they switch to the Lanche game is Pee – Air’s ” unbelievable pace during the pre-game skate..!” WTF is this nerd talkin about??
you know PeeAir you don’t have to say somethin’ all the time…
Pierre: “Come up to my apartment and have fun, young man,”
Might go Sunday Night to see ole Vic’s #11 go up…it’s becoming Noah’s Ark up there in the rafters…2 of every #
PeeAir is one goofy muthaphocker
Flyers announce new GM:
https://media.giphy.com/media/MV1oM1koBZRvfp8Hvw/giphy.gif
fivefinns
Shoot me your email address I have a link with a list and location of most of the apt. complexes in Clearwater. I have an old friend who I trying to get in touch with in real estate who may also have some tips on the best and most affordable of the bunch.
They way the eyes jiggle around in that things head – is that a tribute to Eric Lindros? Kinda what he looked like after those hits from Stevens…
So Zucc says he is waiting to be traded? Seems that he said that or something like it to a Norwegian reporter.
TYM,
I suspected as much. Not doubting his wonky groin, but suspect the Rangers are protecting their asset.
Tym
Wouldn’t shock me.
Bdl
lol…great minds
Wouldn’t be surprised either. Also wouldn’t be surprised if it was taken out of context which is a common thing with the translated reports. If the price is right in December what’s the point of waiting until March? It’s Gorton’s responsibility to do it.
https://media.giphy.com/media/NHs9GJQzKh3uU/giphy.gif
Wicky lol!
The present state of flyer goal tending.
I also was curious about the “groin issue.” Zucc does not fit into Coach Cumberbatch Khan’s style. He wants to go North-South and Zucc is an East-West player. It’s very cold…………..in spaaaaaace.
believe consensus here is trade Zucc now for a bag of pucks but his trade value and cap hit will be probably more favorable in February
Uhhh…maybe re-read the last part of my post lol
“If the price is right in December what’s the point of waiting until March? It’s Gorton’s responsibility to do it”
FiveFinns –
1- Before you leave, I’m told I have quite a bit of snow available to shovel when I head back north later today or tomorrow. You wouldn’t want to go to Florida without one last go at it!
2- Careful what you wish for with a condo or similar. I’ve actually gone the other direction after tiring of having people living on top of me and generally being asshats that I couldn’t avoid. Also – if you buy into a townhome or similar that is HOA, be very careful to understand not only the covenants (hoa agreement) but any board promulgated rules *before* putting anything down. And ask people living their what its really like. Some of these have tyrants running the show who want to be all up inside of your biz 24/7. And don’t forget to check the financials (hoa or condo) in addition to asking what capital expenditures are planned/needed over the next 5-10 years. If they look at you with a blank face, run away.
Thanks Beez for the advice I appreciate it…i’ll pass on the last shovel lol…but I think the wife and I just want to rent an apartment and cross our fingers we don’t get a heavy metal fan as a neighbor
thanks so much St Pete Eli…any help at all would be appreciated fivefinns@msn.com
Something tells me we’re not going to be pleased with the Zucc trade return, no matter when it happens. Right now, I’m feeling R2 + late rounder + minor leaguer is the market price. Hope I’m wrong.
Pronman @ TheAthletic did a prospect live chat earlier in the week. Some tidbits:
– He’s now giving Kravtsov the edge over Wahlstrom
– His only concern with K’Andre Miller was offense, and so far Miller’s showing he’s fine offensively.
– Still doesn’t like Nils Lundkvist for where he was drafted.
– He needs to see Howden keep it up for a full year before he’ll admit he was wrong about his ceiling.
– Andersson has more offense than he’s showing, and thinks he needs to be playing in Hartford.
Any return on the Hobbit is better than letting him walk to the Shire over the summer!
Dave at the end of the day the more casual fans will freak out because they love him so much they think his popularity equates to a more significant haul. This isn’t Panarin or even Duchene. This is a guy who is at best in the tail end of his prime.
Rangers 5
Ah two wah 0
Gwg : mr. pink. Also scoring How ya doin, Don Cheadle, The, Stormy Daniels
On Lias- I agree. Chytil is getting the opportunity here to play important minutes. Lias is part of the log jam at center. Only problem is the team has 4 guys injured right now and the only guys that can compete at the NHL level from Hartford are all centers (except Beleskey and Gettinger) So even if Lias goes down theyre going to wind up bringing up Holland or Fontaine to go along with Fogarty. Don’t see how that helps in the long run.
122 points in his last 177 games for Zucc. 34 goals in that time. He will bring back more than a bag of pucks. It just won’t be the next Patrick Kane.
Can’t see getting anything of value for zucc. A third at best.
Agreed E3. That’s why any sort of “sitting him out while he waits for a trade” HAS to be a bad Norwegian translation. His value was down before the groin, and is getting lower every game he missed.
and agreed James.
He’ll be here until the deadline.
As long as it isn’t a middle of the pack LHD or center….
Lots of waiver activity today….
Shosnikov on waivers…I liked him in Toronto
Pens claimed dea…wouldn’t shock me if the rangers had a claim on him.
Nylander to Carolina?
Good timing Wicky. Scott Darling on waivers…and Cam Talbot now serving as back up goalie in Edmonton..Proving once and for all that over achieving back ups are not starter material on a long term basis.
I think Edmonton despite having mcdavid, is a tire fire.
Absolutely. Chiarelli must have incriminating pictures of Daryl Katz.
“Edmonton…where ex-Bruins go to die.”
Nylander deadline is 5 pm Saturday.
So what can Rangers offer and would this be enough.
Skjei
Zucc
Our number 1 (top 5 protected)
Topo could very well retire. With the millions he has accumulated, he could comfortably live for six or seven weeks in Oslo before he had to look for a job,
Beleskey Update???
Shea, Zucc, Lindquist, TB R2/1
McDavid//McSorley/ McClelland/McAmmond/ McGill/McGillis/MacTavish/Norm!!!Maciver
Big Mac World Headquarters
Nowhere near enough Alex!
Skjei
Andersson
DeAngelo
rd 2 pick
Might get it done.
‘McGuinn and McGuire just a gettin’ higher, in L.A
You know where that’s at…’
fivefinns
Sent you an email
Shay and Zucc combined – ten million per.
Zucc return should be similar or slightly better than Grabner
The Norwegian journo doing the Zuc-interview has been following him for some years, so I would think it’s pretty credible. Time for some of you guys to find a new prügelknabe 🙂
hey thanks St Pete!! nothing yet but i’m sure it’s on its way it’s fivefinns@msn.com
Alex
I’d do that in a heartbeat…and I’d love it if Toronto did too
Grabner’s Cap hit about 1 mill less than Topo’s.
Cooscoos
Toronto wouldn’t care about the 10 million since it’s this year only for Zucc and we could retain some of his salary.
they could also flip our number 1 later on for more immediate needs.
I want a player named ‘Flip.’ Filip Chytil doesn’t count.
A Flip on the Devils would be fitting…Flip Wilson’s fav line…” The ……………..
Flip Himthebird, (Norwegian wing prospect) Sign him!
https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1068203239852650496
see the short video
need more of Skjej /Kreider or Skjej/Zibanajad for Nylander
Bobby O
I don’t think that works for Toronto since they have M and M going for big money starting next year. So if we send forward with term the d has to be very low cost.
Toronto is going to want cap flexibility. I would suspect they would have more interest in Pionk, instead of Skjei. And then a top 9 forward that they can either control (Buchnevich), or that they can walk away from (Zucc).
Coos – 12.19
You could buy a castle in Oslo for the same price as one of the brownstones in Bay Ridge.
I think the exception to wanting cap flexibility would be SkjeL. I think their blue line is a bit in flex and gardiner is going to be ufa. I think they might be willing to take SkjeL and his contract as cap certainty with the m and m guys yet to sign.
Don’t see them wanting Pionk….they are in win now window and Skjej/Zibanajad/Kreider are young and signed for reasonable contracts for several years
Rangers aren’t trading Kreidsdale.
fivefinns
I resent the email must not have gone through the 1st time, probably Wicky and his autocorrect geez!
Have you kids seen this?
“A trade appears to be the most likely outcome. I guess am prepared for it,” Zuccarello said. “Basically, I’m just waiting for it to happen. It’s a tough spot to be in, if I’m being honest.” The 31 year old fan favorite didn’t stop there and his next words will surely sting even more.
“I’ve always said that I only ever want to play for the New York Rangers, but I’ve been thinking … I’m getting older and maybe I could use a new spark”. That new spark would be going to a contender and having a chance to add a Stanley Cup to his career. Still, Zuccarello admitted that it won’t be easy when the day comes.
“It will be a very sad day, of course. I’ve been here a long time and know everyone in the organization, so it will be very sad. But I also think that it can be a positive thing, if it happens. You can get a spark from trying something new.”
More To the Story
Roy told me that this is a two part story and more info will be coming out. He specifically said it will be focused on Zuccarello’s future contract. “I feel that I’ve been consistent enough that any clubs who wants to sign me, knows what they’ll get,” Zuccarello explained. “I’ve never evaluated my game based on points”.
https://foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-zuccarello-just-sitting-alone-and-waiting-to-be-traded-we-speak-with-reporter-roy-kvatningen-about-the-interview/
Cost of living. in Norway is almost 50% higher than comparable to USA.
Wouldnt you rather have a 22 year old Nylander coming into his prime during rebuild than 28 year old Kreider that that will cost 7 M per for 5-7 years when his contract expires after next season?
Has Zucc ever seen tape of his back checking? He may want to re-evaluate his game and base it on points…
What’s the big deal with Nylander? Some people are making him out to be the Second Coming of Jesus H. Christ.
Only problem is Pionk’s ceiling is clearly higher than Brady’s at this point. He’s showing himself to be a better PP QB than both Shatty and DeAngelo at this point and while his defensive zone decisions need work he’s still marginally better than the veteran Skjei more times than not. Maybe Brady can turn it around and anti AV himself. But in the present If Gorton is trying to improve the team the better deal is SkjeL going and Pionk staying.
For your Zuc debating pleasure:
since 2012: #148 g/60, #31 a/60 min 300 games
since 2016: #258 g/60, #52 a/60 min 100 games
since 2017: #266 g/60, #93 a/60 min 50 games (pigoink #150 a/60)
I’m not sensing a big haul for Topo. Maybe a 2nd rounder. Or a 3rd line type prospect and late round pick.
James,
You made a very strong case as to why Toronto would prefer Pionk to Skjei. Toss in he’s a right shot D, something that is very sought after be teams.
Bobby I think I missed something. Are you saying they can’t keep Kreider and Nylander if they were to trade for him? Or just that Kreider should go in a trade for Nylander?
Kreider isn’t up for a contract until 20-21 season. At that point it’s the final year of the Hank contract and the last year of Staal’s which will be bought out by then if not before. That’s about 15 million coming off the books. Extending him shouldn’t be much of a problem.
And quite honestly my opinion on it goes back to something John Davidson said to me once. It’s always about what you have to give in order to get. If Nylander would cost you Kreider and Panarin would cost you nothing but money then I think the situation speaks for itself.
My normal reaction to a story like the Zucc story would be, screw you Zucc, you don’t want to be here, good riddance. But he’s right. And it has to be tough for him to go through.
As far as value goes, on his own, same as Grabner. A second and a prospect.
BobbyO: Looking at the past two years, THE is the better goal scorer, Nylander the better at assists. #38 (Nylander) vs #61 THE in points/60 since 2016. The question I have is.. does Nylander fit in the DairyQueen system? Or is he going to be an uppity Swede?
Absolutely, BDL. But that’s also a strong case for Gorton not to hurt the team. Given the surplus of LHD and the lack of RHD in the Rangers organization you’d have to try your best to make it Skjei. Not that TO wanting Pionk is a deal breaker, but it can easily become a repeat of the decision to extend Girardi /Staal while letting Stralman walk.
Don’t really want to see Pionk QB’ing a top 5 PP for TO for the next 10 years while we discuss when it makes sense to buyout Brady.
And again, consider this- If Nylander is going to cost you Pionk and Panarin is only going to cost you money…
Why would they buy out Staal when Carp and fifty posters here think he’s the best thing since sliced pumpernickel?
Large mistake throwing all th0se millions at Shay.
Zucc has always been honest in interviews and I see nothing wrong with what he said. He’s seen all of his friends except Staal and Hank traded away and has always known the business side of hockey.
Lest we forget how much of a team player he was waiting his turn to sign his contracts to allow Brassard and hags to get signed etc.
There is a reason he is a fan favorite and his effort and team first mentality has more to do with it than his diminutive size.
So please, stop disparaging a guy who has worked his tail off and been team leader in points and grew into quite the player from Undrafted FA just because that wasn’t enough for you or you wanted him to play a different style.
The dude knows how to play hockey….and that’s a fact
I think a playoff team would welcome him as a depth middle six with tons of playoff experience. He is sturdy on his skates and can make plays. Also very helpful leading up to playoff seeding on SHootouts to get that extra point. Also a well liked guy that won’t disrupt a locker room.
Bull dog, I give Zucc a pass for those comments. First you have to consider context and then you have to realize it must be a real bummer no matter how great the organization and fans are to you. You spend a chunk of your career competing for the Cup with close friends and teammates then watch as they’re traded one by one and management shifts it’s attention to a rebuild with a style that’s the polar opposite of your own. I give him hell but he’s been a good Ranger. Tough situation
Bobby
Toronto can’t trade for skjei and 1 of those 2 forwards
One or the other plus entry level desk types and draft picks
With m and m plus Tavares they’re up against the cap starting next year big time
Coos I agree. To be honest, that’s the first contract in a while that I took me by surprise. Did not anticipate that one.
Coos
Here on the blog that would be Jesus H. Chytil according to some
😉
Also (other than McLeod) our toughest wing (so long as he has that big stick in his hands). Loves wise-guys’ ankles like Billy Smith.
Sooner or later Toronto is going to be up against the cap no matter what. They’ll wind up trading Kadri and part ways with Marleau.
Wick- If he throws 32 hits tonight Chytil will be tied for hits with Roussel. So there’s that : D
If Nylander could do what Kreider can along the wall and in the crease, plus scare the crap out of Dmen when he turns on the afterburners, I might consisder it. He is on pace for at least30+ goals. Would I rather have Nylander than Skjei, Andersson, and DeAngelo? Maybe!
saying Kreider would go in a trade for Nylander to make it attractive to Toronto. Kreider contract is up after season so we’re talking lengthy expensive contract where he will be 34 or 35 when it ends. Panerin would be similar situation in that he’ll be 28 and need to be signed 5-7 years but he’s gonna cost 10M per. Nylander is 22 and he would come in at 7M or 8M range. just something that Gorton may think about
I’d have no problem seeing pig oink or SkjeL go in a trade for nylander…or zucc or Jesus H. Chytil
Or the majority of the roster. Actually only 3 or 4 guys I wouldn’t include at this point but admittedly everyone is tradable
I respect and appreciate what Zucc did as part of the 14/15 Ranger runs. I still think to this day, that if Zucc hadn’t gotten hurt, they are in the finals again in 15. That was a heck of a team. But Zucc hasn’t been the same since the injury, and the trading of his buddies. It’s probably a season to late in trading him.
exactly Wicky…its a rebuild
BobbyO
It might be at some point. Not there now.
As soon as they trade Hayes and Kreider, it’s a rebuild.
Man, it would one heck of a gamble to trade Chytil. I don’t think I’d do it.
BDL
Plus 3 d were on 1 leg each
I certainly wouldn’t give him away, but for nylander (depending on the deal) I’d consider it.
Bdl
If they start moving “vets” with term (Zibanejad, shattenkirk, etc) in trades you might be right.
Buying out guys with bad contracts and moving guys on expiring deals regardless of where they play in the lineup is just good asset management (or correcting mistakes from before ;))
Markey Mark just signed Zucc to play Ted in the trilogy
Get rid of Namestoolong and Zuccarello….STAT.
BobbyO
In addition, every player on every team is “tradable”. Imo.
You mean “traidable”
Sorry to have left you with a long post. Busy day. Go Time Post at 7pm
Yes papa, my bad.
ILB, if you are trying to get fired, it’s not going to happen. 😊
Brett Cyrgalis
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A #NYR spokesman talked to Zuccarello about @kvatningen’s story, which people clipped out of context, saying that he’s waiting to be traded. Zuccarello said it’s not what he said and not how he feels, but he’s prepared for anything in the last year of a contract.
Told yous….context
Keep in mind that Nylander’s dad had a nice run here in NY but that run also gave birth to the MSG crowd screaming “SHOOT IT” 🙂
“fivefinns
I resent the email must not have gone through the 1st time,”
Eli is full of resentment.
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