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141 responses to “Rangers Season Preview: Forwards”
Alex
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Chytil is both slide elgible and something else regarding non accruable ELC or something that andersson is not. So maybe chytil getting another 9 game audition and if he’s overwhelmed you don’t see him up here for the rest of the year. Gives you another year of rights on him
jpp
Gorton said in an interview today they will re-eval Andersson in 30 days. When’s the 9 game mark?
cooscoos
If I were Andersson, I’d re-eval Gorton in 30 days.
cooscoos
Eli is infuriating in his nonchalance Pressers.
Whiskey India Charlie Kilo Yankee
Wow, totally ilb’d on the last thread…wtf?!
cooscoos
Boring, stick -by- the -old script coaching in every sport. Would someone somewhere please hire an innovator?
SN
Watch the Rams much?
cooscoos
Fordham?
ilb2001
No conspiracy. Howden played as well, if not outplayed Andersson by the end of the camp. Andersson was either going to play top 9 or play first line in Hartford.
cooscoos
Chump
Bdl
Ilb,
Iffy that Howden outplayed Andersson. I thinks it more they didn’t want Andersson getting 4th line minutes. I would not surprise me to see Howden in Hartford pretty quickly, and Fogarty/Nieves/Holland up and centering the 4th line. They are going to have to trade Hayes or Zibanejad to open up a spot. Or move one of the young centers to the wing.
SN
They want to speed up Howdens’ development by playing him with McCloed
SN
One computer simulation has NYR finishing 3rd to last in NHL and EC in front of Buf and ITT with 74 pts
#LoseforHughes
jpp
I’m just kidding calling it conspiracy. I think there are things here at play beyond andersson’s readiness that was taken into acct when reaching this decision. I’m sure it’s a weird feeling bejng 19 and looked at as the heart and soul future of a team, when your walking into a room of 20/30 year olds who have been in the room for awhile. Andersson is a serious player, let him start in Hartford and see what progresses. It’s big expectations, but I’m hoping for a poor mans Zetterberg or Beregon in andersson and that’s a top 2C. For him to grow into that. Playing 20 mins a game in Hartford will be a good tging
jpp
I think howden is gonna be fine at 4C. I see Sean Courtier.
I’m curious if chytil is ready for 3C in the NHL.
ilb2001
Howden got better steadily by the end. I think Andersson has higher ceiling. Regardless, I don’t think Howden is a 4th line material either. I think they want to see him more playing against men. But I agree, he can end up in Hartford too at some point.
ilb2001
BDL- do you see Chytil-Andersson-Howden as 1-2-3 centers in a few years? Quite possible. They can get some good return for Zibanejad and Hayes if that’s the case.
Bdl
I think they are very similar players. When they are ready they will be 2/3 3/2.
Bdl
Ilb,
They better be! Otherwise this rebuild becomes a very long process. None of the 3 can miss. That would be a huge setback.
ilb2001
I think they are. I think Howden will have more physical than Andersson.
Bdl
They do need to trade at least one of Hayes and Zibanejad ( I’d trade Zibanejad), if not both.
ilb2001
Not yet, BDL. Hayes goes first because of his contract.
Bdl
Zibanejad is heading toward Stepan territory contact wise. A decision on him has to be made by summer.
Bdl
Best thing that can happen for the Rangers is Zibanejad goes for 75/80 pts this year, then deal him in the summer.
SN
Or keep him and not rely on 20 year olds to play top line mins in the middle
ilb2001
Zibanejad has 4 years to go on his contract. No rush to trade him soon
Beezle
BDL Mika is both cheaper and far faster than Step, who if he had not slowed down as much as he had would probably still be on the team. The optics at this point just are not the same.
ilb2001
The Devils beat SC Bern in OT today. So there’s that
jpp
I’m fairly certain, BDL, is referencing the NMC/NTC that kicks in next summer.
Which is why stepan had a deadline.
SN
A lot more will be known between now and June 1
Bdl
Yes Jpp. That is what I’m referring to. A decision on him will have to be made by July. Trade him, or ride him till he’s 30.
Bdl
I know this will not be a popular opinion here, but Stepan was, and still is a far superior player to Zibanejad. Speed or no speed. Hayes is better too.
Bdl
The Stepan trade is the reason Hayes signed only a one year deal. Hayes is going to choose his next team, not the Rangers. And if that team is the Rangers, there will be a no trade clause.
DaveB
I don’t really see a point about discussing anything about this team for another 2-3 years. We’ll see how he’s all going in 20-21, and most likely agree to reconvene in 24-25 once we have a larger sample size on the kids.
cooscoos
In that case, I lose interest.
Pete
Way too early to write off Lias, but still an underwhelming and disappointing showing and that is partly on Gorton and co as they presented him as nearly NHL ready. Best never to make such a statement about an 18/19 year old unless you are talking about a Crosby type pick. I wouldn’t rush Anderson up at all, let him spend at least a half season in Hartford, if not the entire season. And as others have noted, Howden may well be sent back there if Boo or someone else is slotted there so that Howden can get more minutes in the AHL
If chytil can show he can play the walls in the nhl regular season consistently, it would not shock me to see Anderson on a wing (which could also be a reason he is in Hartford to start…wing time).
Stepan was traded due to his nmc and the team did not want to be stuck with his contract.
Whiskey India Charlie Kilo Yankee
Boo is an AHL player, so stop with that nonsense. I like Fogarty better, but if the team wants the best player to play 4C (if they deem howden needs the demotion) out of the ones being bandied about, it’s holland (blech).
cooscoos
BOO is through.
Whiskey India Charlie Kilo Yankee
Personally, I move one of the $4 million dollar men to centre and leave the other 3 non desirable amigos in Hartford…if they think howden needs time in Hartford and that he can’t play centre or wing at the nhl level.
Whiskey India Charlie Kilo Yankee
I think a lot of lose for Hughes supporters are going to be thoroughly disappointed at the end of the regular season.
The rangers will be close to the playoffs (probably 9th or 10th) in the east.
Only hope is a crazy lottery move of forest gump luck proportions like the flyers had a couple seasons ago.
Whiskey India Charlie Kilo Yankee
I think you have to move a minimum of 4 “vet” forwards by the deadline in order to accommodate youth and inbound free agents.
SN
Better off keeping all the kids in Hoford to not lose another year of protection just to watch them Play on a bad team and probably slow their development.
Pete
Not saying Boo is a legit 4th line center but no reason he (or fogarty) couldn’t fill that role this season when the stakes are minimal. Same reason it makes no sense to play Holland at 4th line center, which is what AV would have advocated if he were still here.
Whiskey India Charlie Kilo Yankee
I don’t want holland there, he’s just the best player of the three, that’s all I was saying.
Tell hank this season has minimal stakes, or hayes or guys that need to play well because their days with the rangers are numbered and they want to impress their future teams.
Can’t have it both ways, if you want to tank you have to play the youth that have a long careers ahead of them and zero expectations for their first full season and know where they will be next season.
I’m all for letting them to develop if the organization feels they need to, but expect a better than you want season from a team of “vets”
Whiskey India Charlie Kilo Yankee
Just my opinion of course
😉
St Pete Eli
Yeah you are probably right Wicky I’m thinking they will finish in that range, could even surprise and make the playoffs. It would just be gratifying to land a player like Hughes!
Pete
I’m all for playing the kids and never would have kept both Spooner and Names. I’d also happily move Hayes and/or Mika to the wing so both Chytil and Lias can play center in the top 9 (assuming they are ready). Sure hope you are wrong and they aren’t even close to the playoffs!
Bdl
Predictions for goals scored.
Kreider 33
Zibanejad 22
Buchnevich 18
Vesey 25
Hayes 31
Zucc 16
Spooner 15
Chytil 14
Fast 12
Namestnkov 22
Howden 5
Letierri 11
Andersson 10
Most disappointing player, Buchnevich.
Surprising player, Vesey.
Bdl
Leading scorer, Hayes.
Leading scorer on D, Shattenkirk.
Games before DeAngelo us waived or traded, 10.
Games missed by Zibanejad due to injury, 20.
Dan Tetrault
Wicky, I’ve been thinking the same on the “lose for Hughes” crowd. Even if we do finish dead last we still need to win the lottery and the rangers organization simply doesn’t have that kind of luck. Then even if some miracle we get the number 1 pick, we have off the boardie gordie!!
Bdl
Games played by Hajek, 35.
Games played by Andersson, 65.
Games played by Lindgren, 25.
Games played by Howden, 40.
Games played by Chytil, 70.
Bdl
Sitting in a car dealership, waiting for my car to be serviced. As you can tell, I’m extremely bored.
simonkimbrell
I think Howden is here for a 9 game audition, if he doesnt nail down the place then its next man up. Be that Boo, Foggy or Lias.
The same argument will be in place: “he’ll be better served getting big minutes in Hartford”
In fact i expect that’s a line we’re going to hear a lot this year between October and February
Dan Tetrault
Somewhat agree simon but I think Quinn is willing to let the youngins play through their mistakes and learn from them. Whereas last year heetle played 15 total minutes in a span of two games at the start of the season only to be sent down.
simonkimbrell
No doubt there will be a longer leash this year without AV’s choke chain round their necks but i still think if they can find a way to stretch out those ELC’s so they don’t all mature at the same time then its also in the organisations interest.
No point in burning a year of ELC if its only 15-20 games if the kid isn’t showing something special. They could quite easily let Howden/Andersson fill out the top 6 in Hford and use Boo/Foggy as placeholder till the year after
simonkimbrell
Personally i’d rather see Hajek, Lindgren, Howden, Andersson all on the Broadway Ice alongside Chytil but that creates a cap issue in 3 years time – and the cap (and CBA in Staal’s case) are the main reasons there isn’t space for them on the roster this year.
cregg7
Mika is scoring 30 + goals this year. Book it!
😉
(Unless he gets hurt)
ilb2001
Good morning, boneheads!
I don’t think they will worry about burning ELC if these kids are ready to play. Nothing wrong with letting them grow together. In 3 years they will still be 4 years removed from UFA, and not arbitration eligible. And to be precise, the only two candidates for ELC slide are Chytil and Andersson. Anyone else is already 20 years old or over.
ilb2001
As far as hoping they aren’t even close to the playoffs. I hope they don’t lose a single game this season. Otherwise, why even watch hockey?
SN
Hope is a town in Arkansas
SN
BDL – are those your predictions or off another site on the interwebs?
jpp
Howden counts regardless. He can’t slide. Which is another reason why they will give him every chance to solidify a spot.
Chytil and andersson both can slide
SN
Biggest question is what is the best process to develop very young talent in this day and age. The idea that they will play up and ‘learn the hard way’ is countered by decreasing confidence and development of bad habits. Add a rookie coach in the mix and a defense that will suck eggs and the recipe for success is not really present.
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Of all the pups in camp, Selma seemed the most ready with Heetle having most upside with the high end skill, Andersson having a more complete 2 way game and Howden the best positionally of the 3.
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Presuming your bottom 6 pivots are paired against opponent’s top lines, are Heetle and Howden ready to mark Barzal, Crosby, Backstrom, Malkin, Matthews, Bergeron, Stamkos, Kuznetsov, Bardov, etc etc.
Not from what I saw in camp or preseason.
Bdl
SN,
They are mine. Just for kicks.
Rangers Report 2.0
BDL, I think you’ve made some very bold predictions.
Gravy
Hughes 5’10”, 166? Pass.
😉
Beezle
bdl: yes, the problem was Step’s NTC. It was a problem because he had become slow, not because it was ntc. Zib had 27 goals in 72 last year and looks to be hitting his stride as a player now.
The only reason I see for dumping Zib would be more injuries, though in his defense both the busted leg and concussion are not ‘prone to injury’ types of injuries.
Rangers Report 2.0
Beezle, concussion might be.
Beezle
So NYR are 75.5 -130/even O/U +525/-800 on making playoffs. No line yet on Thursday.
St Pete Eli
He is 17 Gravy he may gain a few pounds before he takes the ice for the Rangers!
Rangers Report 2.0
Those are not good lines to bet on (not that I would bet even if they were), but I take the over and not making the playoffs.
Rangers Report 2.0
I think we finish around 80 points.
James G
I see it’s 2 days before the opener and we’re trading everyone! 🙂
Wouldn’t be shocked if Howden stuck around and Chytil was swapped for Lias. Have my doubts despite the skill level w Chytil.
As I gaze into my crystal ball, I see, I see… crap, is that a blackhead?
Beezle
When do we fire the coach? And does anyone know what Arneil does?
James G
Keep in mind (daily) that this is an eval year. I expect around 80 points and anything more is a bonus.
It’ll be a while before this center stuff is worked out but the guys who deserve it will play.
James G
80 May even be a reach. 70-75 May be more realistic. Who knows. We’ll wait and see how it unfolds
Gravy
My only concern with the Andersson situation is them using the fourth line playing time as the reason, when they’re replacing him with Howden who is essentially in the same situation.
James G
This time next week Beezle
Gravy
I think it’s mathematically impossible to get lower than 80 points in the Bettman Bonus Point League.
At risk of sounding like gorton and hedging my statement, that point total is IF they don’t trade some of the vets early or injuries don’t run crazy.
St Pete Eli
Something to ponder? What if this rebuild actually works and the Rangers turn into a dynamic team contending and winning a few championships over the next decade!
SN
Howden being 20 and having not played real games in bigs yet, could be rationale. Was impressed with his skating and play away from puck but did not see the ‘bruising game’ he was advertised as playing.
SN
Will be very surprised if they crack 85 pts, but excited to be proven wrong. now that we know Hughes is a weak wanna be Europansy, there is no reason to tank…
cooscoos
Watch your P’s and Hughes.
Bdl
Beezel,
Stepan was always slow. I would take today’s Derek Stepan, and tomorrow’s Derek Stepan over the same for Zibanejad. Stepan is a better hockey player.
cooscoos
Step was always slow, then he got slower, then he became a rain delay.
cooscoos
Always thought that Haze had a preternatural ability to patiently hang onto the puck like some great ones of the past. But that’s just a start, an admirable attribute that needed added tangibles and resultant goals.
Whiskey India Charlie Kilo Yankee
Didn’t know elie was on waivers from Dallas, he would have been a great 4th line pick up
Lias Andersson has been named this year’s winner of the Lars-Erik Sjoberg Award, which is given annually to the top #NYR rookie in Training Camp as selected by the media. pic.twitter.com/TPs0BiMgpM
Toronto is going to have either hit the waiver wire or make a deal or two because they lost two veteran goalies with Pickard to Philly and Curtis McElhenny going to Carolina. I guess the Flyers didn’t want Carter Hart to sit behind Brian Elliott.
Two other claims: Dmitrij Jaskin goes to the Caps (wonder if they expect the hammer to fall on Wilson) and Buffalo scooped up F Remi Ellie from Dallas.
Gustav Olosson was placed on waivers after being shopped around. I would have to figure someone takes a look at him.
That was really awesome investigative journalism here by Carps old friend and moved on to greener pastures Katie Strang.
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Caps GM Brian MacLellan said team might not have claimed Jaskin off waivers if not for Tom Wilson’s potential suspension and being without him for a while.
James G
BDL I like your predictions on scoring but flip Buch and Vesey IMHO
Vote was taken before the demotion. I voted for him.
ThisYearsModel
The yearly pilgramage from SoCal to MSG is set. February 8th for the 25 year cup celebration. Should be a building filled with old geezers like me.
Bdl
James,
In 14 minutes of TOI a game, Vesey scored 17 goals. In 15 minute of TOI a game Buchnevich scored 14 goals. I’m betting with more ice Vesey is going to score more goals. Plus I think the game Vesey plays fits into what Quinn is looking for. I could see Buchnevich with more points, but Vesey will score more goals again.
jpp
I’m listening to that PR thing from last night.
Gorts is going into analytics and starts offering too much, and you hear Quinn cough, like too much info, and gorts shuts it down
cooscoos
“I’ve got my owner up here talking about a Stanley Cup. That’s a bunch of bullchit!”
cooscoos
Still my opinion that that comment was the beginning of the end for Torts.
CCCP
If I was Lias, I’d toss my Hartford uni into the stands.
141 responses to “Rangers Season Preview: Forwards”
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More conspiracy:
Chytil is both slide elgible and something else regarding non accruable ELC or something that andersson is not. So maybe chytil getting another 9 game audition and if he’s overwhelmed you don’t see him up here for the rest of the year. Gives you another year of rights on him
Gorton said in an interview today they will re-eval Andersson in 30 days. When’s the 9 game mark?
If I were Andersson, I’d re-eval Gorton in 30 days.
Eli is infuriating in his nonchalance Pressers.
Wow, totally ilb’d on the last thread…wtf?!
Boring, stick -by- the -old script coaching in every sport. Would someone somewhere please hire an innovator?
Watch the Rams much?
Fordham?
No conspiracy. Howden played as well, if not outplayed Andersson by the end of the camp. Andersson was either going to play top 9 or play first line in Hartford.
Chump
Ilb,
Iffy that Howden outplayed Andersson. I thinks it more they didn’t want Andersson getting 4th line minutes. I would not surprise me to see Howden in Hartford pretty quickly, and Fogarty/Nieves/Holland up and centering the 4th line. They are going to have to trade Hayes or Zibanejad to open up a spot. Or move one of the young centers to the wing.
They want to speed up Howdens’ development by playing him with McCloed
One computer simulation has NYR finishing 3rd to last in NHL and EC in front of Buf and ITT with 74 pts
#LoseforHughes
I’m just kidding calling it conspiracy. I think there are things here at play beyond andersson’s readiness that was taken into acct when reaching this decision. I’m sure it’s a weird feeling bejng 19 and looked at as the heart and soul future of a team, when your walking into a room of 20/30 year olds who have been in the room for awhile. Andersson is a serious player, let him start in Hartford and see what progresses. It’s big expectations, but I’m hoping for a poor mans Zetterberg or Beregon in andersson and that’s a top 2C. For him to grow into that. Playing 20 mins a game in Hartford will be a good tging
I think howden is gonna be fine at 4C. I see Sean Courtier.
I’m curious if chytil is ready for 3C in the NHL.
Howden got better steadily by the end. I think Andersson has higher ceiling. Regardless, I don’t think Howden is a 4th line material either. I think they want to see him more playing against men. But I agree, he can end up in Hartford too at some point.
BDL- do you see Chytil-Andersson-Howden as 1-2-3 centers in a few years? Quite possible. They can get some good return for Zibanejad and Hayes if that’s the case.
I think they are very similar players. When they are ready they will be 2/3 3/2.
Ilb,
They better be! Otherwise this rebuild becomes a very long process. None of the 3 can miss. That would be a huge setback.
I think they are. I think Howden will have more physical than Andersson.
They do need to trade at least one of Hayes and Zibanejad ( I’d trade Zibanejad), if not both.
Not yet, BDL. Hayes goes first because of his contract.
Zibanejad is heading toward Stepan territory contact wise. A decision on him has to be made by summer.
Best thing that can happen for the Rangers is Zibanejad goes for 75/80 pts this year, then deal him in the summer.
Or keep him and not rely on 20 year olds to play top line mins in the middle
Zibanejad has 4 years to go on his contract. No rush to trade him soon
BDL Mika is both cheaper and far faster than Step, who if he had not slowed down as much as he had would probably still be on the team. The optics at this point just are not the same.
The Devils beat SC Bern in OT today. So there’s that
I’m fairly certain, BDL, is referencing the NMC/NTC that kicks in next summer.
Which is why stepan had a deadline.
A lot more will be known between now and June 1
Yes Jpp. That is what I’m referring to. A decision on him will have to be made by July. Trade him, or ride him till he’s 30.
I know this will not be a popular opinion here, but Stepan was, and still is a far superior player to Zibanejad. Speed or no speed. Hayes is better too.
The Stepan trade is the reason Hayes signed only a one year deal. Hayes is going to choose his next team, not the Rangers. And if that team is the Rangers, there will be a no trade clause.
I don’t really see a point about discussing anything about this team for another 2-3 years. We’ll see how he’s all going in 20-21, and most likely agree to reconvene in 24-25 once we have a larger sample size on the kids.
In that case, I lose interest.
Way too early to write off Lias, but still an underwhelming and disappointing showing and that is partly on Gorton and co as they presented him as nearly NHL ready. Best never to make such a statement about an 18/19 year old unless you are talking about a Crosby type pick. I wouldn’t rush Anderson up at all, let him spend at least a half season in Hartford, if not the entire season. And as others have noted, Howden may well be sent back there if Boo or someone else is slotted there so that Howden can get more minutes in the AHL
Hughes, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, nice! It’s possible!
Howden is not a bottom 6 forward he is a top 6.
If chytil can show he can play the walls in the nhl regular season consistently, it would not shock me to see Anderson on a wing (which could also be a reason he is in Hartford to start…wing time).
Stepan was traded due to his nmc and the team did not want to be stuck with his contract.
Boo is an AHL player, so stop with that nonsense. I like Fogarty better, but if the team wants the best player to play 4C (if they deem howden needs the demotion) out of the ones being bandied about, it’s holland (blech).
BOO is through.
Personally, I move one of the $4 million dollar men to centre and leave the other 3 non desirable amigos in Hartford…if they think howden needs time in Hartford and that he can’t play centre or wing at the nhl level.
I think a lot of lose for Hughes supporters are going to be thoroughly disappointed at the end of the regular season.
The rangers will be close to the playoffs (probably 9th or 10th) in the east.
Only hope is a crazy lottery move of forest gump luck proportions like the flyers had a couple seasons ago.
I think you have to move a minimum of 4 “vet” forwards by the deadline in order to accommodate youth and inbound free agents.
Better off keeping all the kids in Hoford to not lose another year of protection just to watch them Play on a bad team and probably slow their development.
Not saying Boo is a legit 4th line center but no reason he (or fogarty) couldn’t fill that role this season when the stakes are minimal. Same reason it makes no sense to play Holland at 4th line center, which is what AV would have advocated if he were still here.
I don’t want holland there, he’s just the best player of the three, that’s all I was saying.
Tell hank this season has minimal stakes, or hayes or guys that need to play well because their days with the rangers are numbered and they want to impress their future teams.
Can’t have it both ways, if you want to tank you have to play the youth that have a long careers ahead of them and zero expectations for their first full season and know where they will be next season.
I’m all for letting them to develop if the organization feels they need to, but expect a better than you want season from a team of “vets”
Just my opinion of course
😉
Yeah you are probably right Wicky I’m thinking they will finish in that range, could even surprise and make the playoffs. It would just be gratifying to land a player like Hughes!
I’m all for playing the kids and never would have kept both Spooner and Names. I’d also happily move Hayes and/or Mika to the wing so both Chytil and Lias can play center in the top 9 (assuming they are ready). Sure hope you are wrong and they aren’t even close to the playoffs!
Predictions for goals scored.
Kreider 33
Zibanejad 22
Buchnevich 18
Vesey 25
Hayes 31
Zucc 16
Spooner 15
Chytil 14
Fast 12
Namestnkov 22
Howden 5
Letierri 11
Andersson 10
Most disappointing player, Buchnevich.
Surprising player, Vesey.
Leading scorer, Hayes.
Leading scorer on D, Shattenkirk.
Games before DeAngelo us waived or traded, 10.
Games missed by Zibanejad due to injury, 20.
Wicky, I’ve been thinking the same on the “lose for Hughes” crowd. Even if we do finish dead last we still need to win the lottery and the rangers organization simply doesn’t have that kind of luck. Then even if some miracle we get the number 1 pick, we have off the boardie gordie!!
Games played by Hajek, 35.
Games played by Andersson, 65.
Games played by Lindgren, 25.
Games played by Howden, 40.
Games played by Chytil, 70.
Sitting in a car dealership, waiting for my car to be serviced. As you can tell, I’m extremely bored.
I think Howden is here for a 9 game audition, if he doesnt nail down the place then its next man up. Be that Boo, Foggy or Lias.
The same argument will be in place: “he’ll be better served getting big minutes in Hartford”
In fact i expect that’s a line we’re going to hear a lot this year between October and February
Somewhat agree simon but I think Quinn is willing to let the youngins play through their mistakes and learn from them. Whereas last year heetle played 15 total minutes in a span of two games at the start of the season only to be sent down.
No doubt there will be a longer leash this year without AV’s choke chain round their necks but i still think if they can find a way to stretch out those ELC’s so they don’t all mature at the same time then its also in the organisations interest.
No point in burning a year of ELC if its only 15-20 games if the kid isn’t showing something special. They could quite easily let Howden/Andersson fill out the top 6 in Hford and use Boo/Foggy as placeholder till the year after
Personally i’d rather see Hajek, Lindgren, Howden, Andersson all on the Broadway Ice alongside Chytil but that creates a cap issue in 3 years time – and the cap (and CBA in Staal’s case) are the main reasons there isn’t space for them on the roster this year.
Mika is scoring 30 + goals this year. Book it!
😉
(Unless he gets hurt)
Good morning, boneheads!
I don’t think they will worry about burning ELC if these kids are ready to play. Nothing wrong with letting them grow together. In 3 years they will still be 4 years removed from UFA, and not arbitration eligible. And to be precise, the only two candidates for ELC slide are Chytil and Andersson. Anyone else is already 20 years old or over.
As far as hoping they aren’t even close to the playoffs. I hope they don’t lose a single game this season. Otherwise, why even watch hockey?
Hope is a town in Arkansas
BDL – are those your predictions or off another site on the interwebs?
Howden counts regardless. He can’t slide. Which is another reason why they will give him every chance to solidify a spot.
Chytil and andersson both can slide
Biggest question is what is the best process to develop very young talent in this day and age. The idea that they will play up and ‘learn the hard way’ is countered by decreasing confidence and development of bad habits. Add a rookie coach in the mix and a defense that will suck eggs and the recipe for success is not really present.
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Of all the pups in camp, Selma seemed the most ready with Heetle having most upside with the high end skill, Andersson having a more complete 2 way game and Howden the best positionally of the 3.
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Presuming your bottom 6 pivots are paired against opponent’s top lines, are Heetle and Howden ready to mark Barzal, Crosby, Backstrom, Malkin, Matthews, Bergeron, Stamkos, Kuznetsov, Bardov, etc etc.
Not from what I saw in camp or preseason.
SN,
They are mine. Just for kicks.
BDL, I think you’ve made some very bold predictions.
Hughes 5’10”, 166? Pass.
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bdl: yes, the problem was Step’s NTC. It was a problem because he had become slow, not because it was ntc. Zib had 27 goals in 72 last year and looks to be hitting his stride as a player now.
The only reason I see for dumping Zib would be more injuries, though in his defense both the busted leg and concussion are not ‘prone to injury’ types of injuries.
Beezle, concussion might be.
So NYR are 75.5 -130/even O/U +525/-800 on making playoffs. No line yet on Thursday.
He is 17 Gravy he may gain a few pounds before he takes the ice for the Rangers!
Those are not good lines to bet on (not that I would bet even if they were), but I take the over and not making the playoffs.
I think we finish around 80 points.
I see it’s 2 days before the opener and we’re trading everyone! 🙂
Wouldn’t be shocked if Howden stuck around and Chytil was swapped for Lias. Have my doubts despite the skill level w Chytil.
As I gaze into my crystal ball, I see, I see… crap, is that a blackhead?
When do we fire the coach? And does anyone know what Arneil does?
Keep in mind (daily) that this is an eval year. I expect around 80 points and anything more is a bonus.
It’ll be a while before this center stuff is worked out but the guys who deserve it will play.
80 May even be a reach. 70-75 May be more realistic. Who knows. We’ll wait and see how it unfolds
My only concern with the Andersson situation is them using the fourth line playing time as the reason, when they’re replacing him with Howden who is essentially in the same situation.
This time next week Beezle
I think it’s mathematically impossible to get lower than 80 points in the Bettman Bonus Point League.
Racist crystal ball reference by Norm.
Blackhead lives don’t matter.
85-90 points.
At risk of sounding like gorton and hedging my statement, that point total is IF they don’t trade some of the vets early or injuries don’t run crazy.
Something to ponder? What if this rebuild actually works and the Rangers turn into a dynamic team contending and winning a few championships over the next decade!
Howden being 20 and having not played real games in bigs yet, could be rationale. Was impressed with his skating and play away from puck but did not see the ‘bruising game’ he was advertised as playing.
Will be very surprised if they crack 85 pts, but excited to be proven wrong. now that we know Hughes is a weak wanna be Europansy, there is no reason to tank…
Watch your P’s and Hughes.
Beezel,
Stepan was always slow. I would take today’s Derek Stepan, and tomorrow’s Derek Stepan over the same for Zibanejad. Stepan is a better hockey player.
Step was always slow, then he got slower, then he became a rain delay.
Always thought that Haze had a preternatural ability to patiently hang onto the puck like some great ones of the past. But that’s just a start, an admirable attribute that needed added tangibles and resultant goals.
Didn’t know elie was on waivers from Dallas, he would have been a great 4th line pick up
https://theathletic.com/561038/2018/10/02/the-athletic-nhl-prediction-spectacular-our-2018-19-projections/?source=dailyemail
Step was never not slow. I’d take both z pack and no Doritos over him and I’m not a huge fan of either.
If z pack plays with some sort of physicality (concerning since he’s injury prone) I like him more than no Doritos.
If he doesn’t, I’ll take no Doritos over him everyday.
Either way, opie the victim was always slow.
The Victim!
One of the most fascinating things to me is how the hell are the leaves going to keep marner and nylander after the Tavares signing?
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Eventually four guys make 40 million, the other 19 make 1.5 mil. each.
Yahoo – the kiss of death, alas.
Sidney calls out Tom Wilson – https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2018/10/02/sidney-crosby-tom-wilson-hit/1496346002/
and he didn’t make the team
Flyers claimed G Calvin Pickard off waivers. Goalie problem finally solved!
Bwahahahaha
Only thing worse than Yahoo is ESPN.
Victim. Never not funny.
I think da boys are playing golf somewhere. Likely The Foot.
Other than the elan of Justin Thomas, seemed like AV was captaining our Ryder team.
Phil embarrassed himself. What a chitty way to bow out.
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1eaJbVNqRddJX
the townhall last night
WCC, coos. And I don’t mean Community College.
Toronto is going to have either hit the waiver wire or make a deal or two because they lost two veteran goalies with Pickard to Philly and Curtis McElhenny going to Carolina. I guess the Flyers didn’t want Carter Hart to sit behind Brian Elliott.
Two other claims: Dmitrij Jaskin goes to the Caps (wonder if they expect the hammer to fall on Wilson) and Buffalo scooped up F Remi Ellie from Dallas.
Gustav Olosson was placed on waivers after being shopped around. I would have to figure someone takes a look at him.
that town hall was riveting.
Rosie the Riveter
Yoosed to be a Trustee of that college.
wicky weather in calgary
‘Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
Oh yeah, get down baby
Who who who who’
My attention was riveted.
Craig Rivet was riveting.
Former 1C still would have had the most points on NYR last year. And he had 10 more than former 2C 😉
Caps GM said as much about Timid Tom, Anthony.
Remember how quiet Timid Tom was the night he played against The Undertaker?
That was really awesome investigative journalism here by Carps old friend and moved on to greener pastures Katie Strang.
The shadow side of the world. It’s a creepy place. It scevvies me out how many visit there
vs carolina
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Caps GM Brian MacLellan said team might not have claimed Jaskin off waivers if not for Tom Wilson’s potential suspension and being without him for a while.
BDL I like your predictions on scoring but flip Buch and Vesey IMHO
So Lias wins the LES award. Ironic
Vote was taken before the demotion. I voted for him.
The yearly pilgramage from SoCal to MSG is set. February 8th for the 25 year cup celebration. Should be a building filled with old geezers like me.
James,
In 14 minutes of TOI a game, Vesey scored 17 goals. In 15 minute of TOI a game Buchnevich scored 14 goals. I’m betting with more ice Vesey is going to score more goals. Plus I think the game Vesey plays fits into what Quinn is looking for. I could see Buchnevich with more points, but Vesey will score more goals again.
I’m listening to that PR thing from last night.
Gorts is going into analytics and starts offering too much, and you hear Quinn cough, like too much info, and gorts shuts it down
“I’ve got my owner up here talking about a Stanley Cup. That’s a bunch of bullchit!”
Still my opinion that that comment was the beginning of the end for Torts.
If I was Lias, I’d toss my Hartford uni into the stands.
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