Rangers Lose Oscar Lindberg to Vegas Golden Knights
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255 responses to “Rangers Lose Oscar Lindberg to Vegas Golden Knights”
CCCP
Trade Lundqvist.
Bdl
I’m anxious to find out if they trade Stepan, and what he may bring back. On the other hand, I would be perfectly happy if they did not trade him.
SN
Wouldn’t rely on the Henk ‘window’ to make TEAM decisions for short/long run. That is a fool’s errand.
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I believe Cam had as many playoff series wins as Henk this season and one more win…
SN
The main reason for not trading Step is believing Haze is not a top 6 pivot as much as they try to play him there. In fact, he may be slower than Step with poorer D but better O potential. Haze seems like a productive 3C but an inconsistent 2C.
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Could trade a center for a center, it happened last summer (Brass/Zika) so there is hope.
There are four articles: 2017 NHL Mock Draft, Rangers 1st Round Draft Preview, Rangers Draft Preview: Rounds 4-7, and the Rangers history when they have owned the 21st overall selection on the Draft.
Bdl
I don’t believe they want to trade Stepan for center. I has to be a Right side Dman. Maybe you take back a Right side Dman who is young and unproven, and you believe he becomes a top pair guy. In that case, you can ask for a center to put in the deal.
Cross Check Charlie
Picking out of need gets you guys like Jessiman, Sanguinetti and McIlrath. Let’s face it, unless a guy is a top 5 pick he’s not seeing the NHL for 3 or 4 years. By that time your needs have changed. One of the reasons why I don’t really follow the NHL draft is where the Rangers pick, they’re not getting somebody that they can put in the lineup right away. It’s not like football or basketball in that draft picks are expected to play and contribute. It’s closer to baseball where you draft on potential and hope he develops into an NHLer in a few years.
CCCP
Jason Demers from Florida. Young, inexpensive, decent dman who shoots right. Wont cost arm and both legs to get him… i dont think. We should look into it.
ThisYearsModel
Well at least it is worth watching Round 1 for a change. Unfortunately, no reason to watch Rounds 2 or 3. Good thing this is a weak draft. Maybe Gordon can package a couple later round picks and get into Round 3. I would imagine that if Stepan is leaving, we will find out this weekend.
Eric-5th in metro
Get me trouba.
DaveB
I wouldn’t be opposed to Demers at all. He’s not really the answer to our “get someone to play with McD” question, but he would fit in for sure on the 2nd pair, if we don’t get Smith to resign. He might actually be a decent compliment to Staal, if our 2nd and 3rd pairings split ice time.
Demers, though, kind of has that “I came here to get Trouba or Barrie or Dumba and all I got was this stinking Demers” t-shirt vibe. How disappointing would it be to sift through all those rumors, most of which KIND of make sense, and we wind up trading Stepan for Jason Demers and a 4th. We’d all be crushed.
Also, his name sounds like a fart in a bathtub.
Gravy
Yes to Skjei for Duchene, ignoring contracts.
As usual, the other team’s guy is being really overvalued. Duchene 0.73 PPG, Stepan 0.70 PPG. He’s much better on faceoffs, and I like the guy, but let’s not pretend they need to give up Stepan and 10 other pieces to get him. Contracts are virtually a wash until after next season when he’ll be looking to get paid as a UFA.
Kathryn Tappen also overrated.
Bdl
I would be opposed to Demers. If that’s the kind of Dman they are at, well then just go ahead and play Graves, Pionk, the Russian they signed, and Day. Don’t waste anymore time with retreads.
CCC – You went for the missed picks. How about drafting for need and bringing in Skjei, Miller, Kreider in the first round and guys like Richter (2nd) and Lundqvist (7th). You have to project out what your needs are now and will be in the future. It almost sounds like you are saying the Rangers should just deal off their first round picks unless it is a Top 5-ish pick.
Think of all the picks the Rangers have traded over the years – and I don’t mean just the 1st rounders. Maybe we wouldn’t have to sift through the likes of Jason Demers if we had our 2013 and/or 2014 1st round picks and that guy had his 3-4 years of development.
Most NHL teams don’t think about putting their 1st round pick right into the lineup unless they are a star player. When do force someone you end up with a situation like Manny Malhotra who probably should have gone back to Juniors rather than make the jump. Then he became a pawn in the Neil Smith-John Muckler feud.
With all of that said, you can never go wrong drafting goalies, scoring forwards and right-handed shooting defensemen because those seem to be the commodities that teams are always looking for.
Now watch Jeff Gorton take a goalie in the first round 🙂
Wicky – You are right about Oettinger. Still has three years of college plus whatever seasoning in the minors. Keith Petruzelli will be a freshman at Quinnipiac – big goalie (6-6) and the Finnish kid is big as well (6-4).
The one “knock” on Igor Shestyorkin is that he is only 6-0 and the trend seems to be bigger goalies. Last year, I think only one or two goalies under 6-2 were drafted.
Bdl
But they have Graves they have developed. Why waste time and money with Demers?
Wicky (blog bully and all around snarkist)
I’m ok with demers if he’s replacing Holden or staal (no chance), but I’m with bdl.
Beezle
I want to keep Skjei as I think he will develop into a very good defender and one that can score. Find another way to get the righty dman. Agree on bringing up Graves to give him a spin a few games and assess where he is developmentally.
Just some stats for you: Looking at the past two seasons, Dmen who played 82 games and scored 70 pts: 20R/16L out of a pool of 74R/107L. Extending to 123 games over three seasons and 105pts, 17R/14L out of 75R/107L. (the same type of split for the past season gives you 23R/21L)
Skjei definitely has a shot to be one of the top L defenders. Dump him in a trade for an R and you’ll be moaning by the end of the year you need another L.
Cross Check Charlie
Anthony – What I was saying was two things. One – go for the best player available because if you go for a need in 2017 and the guy doesn’t play in the NHL until 2021, by then you might not need him. Look at drafting McIlrath because they needed a physical guy. By the time he got to the NHL, they needed guys that are puck movers. That’s all I’m saying is don’t force a pick based on this year’s needs.
The other is that I, personally, don’t really follow the draft because 1. I don’t watch or follow junior hockey 2. Even if you read up on the players available in the draft it’s going to be a few years before they reach the NHL, if at all.
I never said that the draft doesn’t matter or that they should trade away all their draft picks.
Seems like we hire ex tough guys as D coaches, yet they get precious little of that across to our ‘defensive stalwarts.” If the league has really changed that much, why don’t we just give up and hire ex defensive prima donnas who are familiar with and can teach that style of play? As things stand, we do neither method well.
James G
Snow angels do not exist in this dojo DO THEY?
Danny G is not a top 4 in this dojo IS HE?
Staal and Holden are not a pair in this dojo ARE THEY?
James G
Coos- translation: CABER!
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255 responses to “Rangers Lose Oscar Lindberg to Vegas Golden Knights”
Trade Lundqvist.
I’m anxious to find out if they trade Stepan, and what he may bring back. On the other hand, I would be perfectly happy if they did not trade him.
Wouldn’t rely on the Henk ‘window’ to make TEAM decisions for short/long run. That is a fool’s errand.
.
I believe Cam had as many playoff series wins as Henk this season and one more win…
The main reason for not trading Step is believing Haze is not a top 6 pivot as much as they try to play him there. In fact, he may be slower than Step with poorer D but better O potential. Haze seems like a productive 3C but an inconsistent 2C.
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Could trade a center for a center, it happened last summer (Brass/Zika) so there is hope.
After a one year sabbatical, my NHL Draft previews have returned and have been posted on Ranger Ramblings: http://www.rangerramblings.com/category/2017-nhl-draft/.
There are four articles: 2017 NHL Mock Draft, Rangers 1st Round Draft Preview, Rangers Draft Preview: Rounds 4-7, and the Rangers history when they have owned the 21st overall selection on the Draft.
I don’t believe they want to trade Stepan for center. I has to be a Right side Dman. Maybe you take back a Right side Dman who is young and unproven, and you believe he becomes a top pair guy. In that case, you can ask for a center to put in the deal.
Picking out of need gets you guys like Jessiman, Sanguinetti and McIlrath. Let’s face it, unless a guy is a top 5 pick he’s not seeing the NHL for 3 or 4 years. By that time your needs have changed. One of the reasons why I don’t really follow the NHL draft is where the Rangers pick, they’re not getting somebody that they can put in the lineup right away. It’s not like football or basketball in that draft picks are expected to play and contribute. It’s closer to baseball where you draft on potential and hope he develops into an NHLer in a few years.
Jason Demers from Florida. Young, inexpensive, decent dman who shoots right. Wont cost arm and both legs to get him… i dont think. We should look into it.
Well at least it is worth watching Round 1 for a change. Unfortunately, no reason to watch Rounds 2 or 3. Good thing this is a weak draft. Maybe Gordon can package a couple later round picks and get into Round 3. I would imagine that if Stepan is leaving, we will find out this weekend.
Get me trouba.
I wouldn’t be opposed to Demers at all. He’s not really the answer to our “get someone to play with McD” question, but he would fit in for sure on the 2nd pair, if we don’t get Smith to resign. He might actually be a decent compliment to Staal, if our 2nd and 3rd pairings split ice time.
Demers, though, kind of has that “I came here to get Trouba or Barrie or Dumba and all I got was this stinking Demers” t-shirt vibe. How disappointing would it be to sift through all those rumors, most of which KIND of make sense, and we wind up trading Stepan for Jason Demers and a 4th. We’d all be crushed.
Also, his name sounds like a fart in a bathtub.
Yes to Skjei for Duchene, ignoring contracts.
As usual, the other team’s guy is being really overvalued. Duchene 0.73 PPG, Stepan 0.70 PPG. He’s much better on faceoffs, and I like the guy, but let’s not pretend they need to give up Stepan and 10 other pieces to get him. Contracts are virtually a wash until after next season when he’ll be looking to get paid as a UFA.
Kathryn Tappen also overrated.
I would be opposed to Demers. If that’s the kind of Dman they are at, well then just go ahead and play Graves, Pionk, the Russian they signed, and Day. Don’t waste anymore time with retreads.
Personally, I try to keep a breast of Kathryn Tappen’s t(w)eets.
Trouba, dumba, Murphy, Barrie, vatannen…a couple of those would be great.
Of course gorton will probably get us garrison and demers lol.
As far as the draft, I’d love to see us get foote or vesalainen in the first if either is still available. Really like the forward vesalainen.
CCC – You went for the missed picks. How about drafting for need and bringing in Skjei, Miller, Kreider in the first round and guys like Richter (2nd) and Lundqvist (7th). You have to project out what your needs are now and will be in the future. It almost sounds like you are saying the Rangers should just deal off their first round picks unless it is a Top 5-ish pick.
Think of all the picks the Rangers have traded over the years – and I don’t mean just the 1st rounders. Maybe we wouldn’t have to sift through the likes of Jason Demers if we had our 2013 and/or 2014 1st round picks and that guy had his 3-4 years of development.
Most NHL teams don’t think about putting their 1st round pick right into the lineup unless they are a star player. When do force someone you end up with a situation like Manny Malhotra who probably should have gone back to Juniors rather than make the jump. Then he became a pawn in the Neil Smith-John Muckler feud.
With all of that said, you can never go wrong drafting goalies, scoring forwards and right-handed shooting defensemen because those seem to be the commodities that teams are always looking for.
Now watch Jeff Gorton take a goalie in the first round 🙂
The otter guy wouldn’t be a bad goalie choice
Though we went back and forth on Danny G for a long, long time, Gorton couldn’t pull the trigger fast enough. He saw no hope.
Wicky – You are right about Oettinger. Still has three years of college plus whatever seasoning in the minors. Keith Petruzelli will be a freshman at Quinnipiac – big goalie (6-6) and the Finnish kid is big as well (6-4).
The one “knock” on Igor Shestyorkin is that he is only 6-0 and the trend seems to be bigger goalies. Last year, I think only one or two goalies under 6-2 were drafted.
But they have Graves they have developed. Why waste time and money with Demers?
I’m ok with demers if he’s replacing Holden or staal (no chance), but I’m with bdl.
I want to keep Skjei as I think he will develop into a very good defender and one that can score. Find another way to get the righty dman. Agree on bringing up Graves to give him a spin a few games and assess where he is developmentally.
Just some stats for you: Looking at the past two seasons, Dmen who played 82 games and scored 70 pts: 20R/16L out of a pool of 74R/107L. Extending to 123 games over three seasons and 105pts, 17R/14L out of 75R/107L. (the same type of split for the past season gives you 23R/21L)
Skjei definitely has a shot to be one of the top L defenders. Dump him in a trade for an R and you’ll be moaning by the end of the year you need another L.
Anthony – What I was saying was two things. One – go for the best player available because if you go for a need in 2017 and the guy doesn’t play in the NHL until 2021, by then you might not need him. Look at drafting McIlrath because they needed a physical guy. By the time he got to the NHL, they needed guys that are puck movers. That’s all I’m saying is don’t force a pick based on this year’s needs.
The other is that I, personally, don’t really follow the draft because 1. I don’t watch or follow junior hockey 2. Even if you read up on the players available in the draft it’s going to be a few years before they reach the NHL, if at all.
I never said that the draft doesn’t matter or that they should trade away all their draft picks.
Also, “Kathryn Tappen also overrated”
Blasphemy!
I’d trade 2 Tappens for Borges and a 1D.
Seems like we hire ex tough guys as D coaches, yet they get precious little of that across to our ‘defensive stalwarts.” If the league has really changed that much, why don’t we just give up and hire ex defensive prima donnas who are familiar with and can teach that style of play? As things stand, we do neither method well.
Snow angels do not exist in this dojo DO THEY?
Danny G is not a top 4 in this dojo IS HE?
Staal and Holden are not a pair in this dojo ARE THEY?
Coos- translation: CABER!
*NEW POST*
Slide first, slide hard, snow mercy, sir!
NJ draft party. 30 Devils employees in a tent. Bwahahahahaha.