Good morning, boneheads!
Only players who either didn’t know much about DQ (Trocheck) or didn’t like him (Chytil) played their game. Them decided to give Quinn his first win of the season in NY. That’s my version, and I’m sticking to it.
Kidding aside, it wasn’t so much the Sharks as it was our boys who didn’t come out ready against desperate team, that probably felt embarrassed after 0-5 start. Interestingly, that hasn’t happened much during Gallant’s tenure, but happened very often under DQ’s. If they did come out the way they have way more often than not, this one would’ve been over after these three consecutive PPs. How many games would San Jose win in best of seven against NY? One? Doubt that…
So, DQ was greeted with boos last night, and Staple decided to take this beauty apart with some stats. Be my guest, Arthur
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Staple more than happy to overanalyze listless losses.
Last night’s game just continues the long (and tired) tradition of ex-Rangers coming back to Madison Square Garden and having much success.
Not the best game they’ve played by a long shot, other than a few exceptions. But its a point at least.
The booing was a little embarrassing to be honest, Quinn did a decent job when he was here and worked with the roster he was given by Gorton, maybe if Drury had been his GM earlier he might have shared in last season’s success instead of being booted out the door
ORF
I said the same thing I think it was after the Jets loss. It’s early but they better figure it out because it isn’t going to be smooth sailing getting out of the Metro.
booing Quinn was lame … he was coach of a rebuilding team not Scotty Bowman. Dud of a game but they are tied for 1st in Metro…they will be fine
Idk what the big deal is. They had a bad game and lost a point to a western conference team desperately needing a win.
I don’t think Quinn deserved to be booed, but he wasn’t very good in NY. He needs to learn a few things before he can be successful. One, this isn’t college. Stop treating these guys as they are in need to have their diapers changed constantly. Let the leaders be the leaders. A coach in this league can’t be the captain at the same time. And two, learn how to adjust on a dime, don’t just try to improve what isn’t working at all.
his team wasn’t very good either
Kind of looking ahead to next week but do you guys think Avs play Georgie boy at MSG ? Also, do you think GG goes with faster lineup and rests Reavo since Isles following night?
I’d give VK a shot in Vesey’s spot. I don’t think Vesey is doing much. Igor let the 2nd one slide in under his pad. He has been pretty ordinary so far. 2 out of 5 games in which they took the 3rd period off is a concern. Team D is pretty loose so far too. Lots of room for improvement, but, they are on a pace for 114 points.
Certain teams (and people) looove to come into Dolan’s Ice Palace and put the hurtin’ on them. HOW COME ranger fans know that and no one else who should anticipate this don’t?
I blame WordPress algorithm for last night’s loss.
Kreider is on the move?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2022/10/20/ny-rangers-vet-chris-kreider-lists-nyc-pad-for-3-8m/amp/
Kreids probably said it took an hour to get to MSG by cab from downtown and I didnt want to get killed taking the train
Kreider looked like the Enigma last night he is famous for. It appears they decided there is no need to play defense. But they are on track for 114 pts. I can’t believe I’m saying this but Chytil is the the best player on the 3rd line.
Is it crazy to think the boys were a little off after management lets go hard working, fairly competent kid and keeps the one “with potential”* who doesn’t seem the hardest worker and has a history of whining?
KHLsov best work his butt off the second he hits the ice in a real game.
*potential organizational embarassment of a waste of 9th overall draft pick
The boys were a little off because they thought they were gonna steamroll a winless team and got outworked
THE and his inamorata moved to the ‘burbs during Covid, bought two German shepherds, and decided to stay.
bobbyo2019
Exactly my point and ORF said it as well. They’re not as good as they think they are. Instead of looking at the success they had in the playoffs they need to realize how ineffective they were in the last 4 losses to the bolts. They are not good enough to glide through the Metro if Igor isn’t lights out. They have to out work the opposite with a ruthless tenacity.
The Yankees eventually became Ruthless.
I honestly think they came out fine, not great, but got worse as the game went along. Terrible third period for a team that’s been pretty good in them for most of the past 12 months.
They still got a point and were a post and/or crossbar away from winning in regulation. Also, the second goal Shesty usually stops, and he got controller drift on the OT winner. Anyway, if they have to look back in 5 months and worry about this lost point, that means there’s bigger problems.
see your point Pete…think they got a little goal happy ..more Dmen trying to score and less backchecking by forwards. Still a young team but a game like last night may be good for them to fix things defensively
Breadman was sleeping a bit on OT winner
Agree with gravy at 1:21
Also agree with James and it’s not really that big of deal either way.
Agree with cccp re the algorithm thing…and didn’t someone post that link yesterday about the Kreider move thing?
We all don’t expect the rangers to have the same lineup for 82 games. Even if there weren’t going to be injuries (most likely there will be some at sone point) they need to rotate sone guys. Moving hunt made that easier since he most likely would have been one more hurdle for someone else to clear.
You’d expect to see vital vitali at some point over the next few games for reaves or vesey in the lineup if he’s healthy.
Some good points made about yesterday being only 1 game. Beside’s opening night our boys have not played a full 60 minutes game. I am sure it’s driving GG crazy. That being said it is a very long season and we all hope that none of us will be going on about games in Oct if we are playing in June.
GG taking a long trip on the crazy train so far, into this early season.
Very often I see GG’s eyes and I think he would benefit from a little bi-weekly therapy.
I can’t believe I am saying this, but, Chytil is starting to carry the play for his line. If they can’t afford him I hope they get a better return than they did for Buch.
I think the thing about Chytil hasn’t changed from 5 years ago to now.
It’s about expectations and role.
Vermont for now and the mid range future is the 2C. I personally think he’s the ideal third line centre but it’s clear the organization views him and pays him as the 2C. We all know the world is not ideal.
About 6 years ago an astute poster here said Chytil could be a 40-60 point guy in the right system and role, that has never changed.
The question for him and the rangers is can he do what is required of him as a 200’ player that plays a third line centre role winning draws, playing smart defencive hockey with physicality. The offencive talent is always there but can it be there constantly and can the other parts needed be there consistently as well.
The second half of that is always the cap. At what point does his production and consistency (or lack there of) on the ice get to a point where it doesn’t match the cap hit.
It’s way past a “potential” thing with him and with a new contract due after the season… he’s not only at a on ice crossroads imo but a cap hit one as well this season.
There are a few more important players (imho) than him due new deals in the next season or two and can his on ice contributions be replaced by someone else that will make less (depending on his next deal $$$$) to allow $$$$ to go to more organizational important players?
Interesting situation that doesn’t just apply to Chytil but a couple other young forwards as well even if the cap goes up more than the original $1 that was initially expected for next season.
In drury we trust.
The thing with Chytil goes beyond Chytil. It’s about the team and the roster design.
This team needs a checking line for defensive purposes. Idk why anyone would think differently at this point.
It’s not about checks and face washes or staged fights. It’s about improving things from a defensive stand point.
Hard to see Chytil filling that roll. Hard to imagine they’ll be trading Zibanejad or Trocheck to keep Chytil.
My guess is that nothing will change just like always.
James
Agreed 100%
Great minds there about role and type of player needed.
Need square pegs for square holes.
It’s that simple.
Wicky I kind of agree about Vinny T as a 3C. One thing I left out of my last post is that we could in theory see a flip before long..but like you said if Trocheck is being paid to be a 2C and can put up 60-70 points in that role then he’s here to be in that role.
Not to hold the spot for Chytil
GG is Bi?
No, he is still the coach. He didn’t leave.
Bi-Bi
The 4th line could be the checking line at some point without Reaves
How’s that distribution of ice time work, Bobby? third line gets 10 minutes a night? or your shut down line gets 10 minutes a night?
Not trying to go back and forth for a 5th consecutive season about the same topic. I just figured that by now people would see that scoring and power plays and offense isn’t what plagues this team from moving into the upper echelon
Panarin is the coach boys. The Minx has Spoken!
Thats up to GG and depends on the match up
And James you could make the point that scoring and offense and power plays was the reason they didn’t get by Tampa
Finally watched the third period this afternoon. In addition to poor team D the top 4 D made some awful individual plays. Trouba had a couple of guys not named McDavid blow right by him and Foxy wasn’t that great either. The 2 D making $17.5 MM have to be better than that. They also missed the net with 21 shots. Maybe they need some new contacts. Let’s see what the early start does on Sunday.
Go Fast Day coming up, Wick! I told you it wouldn’t be long.
Fast Day is a day we eat the Fish.
All in the eye of the beholder I guess, Bobby.
They didn’t score because Tampa was able to smother them enough in the defensive zone . Rangers couldn’t do the same in front of Shesty. That’s how a playoff series is won.
When a team loses a game 5-2 and some fans think the problem is that they couldn’t score six goals that night there’s a disconnect.
I remember watching Giacomin as a little kid who was just beginning to love the game and this team. Ahead of his time. Class act. https://twitter.com/hockey_samurai/status/1583655374581743617?t=VKCh8mmiV1ZL7-wO33xKHQ&s=19
“…and the save is made by Giacomin!” 🙂
There’s talk the cap “could” go up by as much as $4.5 mil over the summer….”could”.
Every bit helps.
EddieJ
Yes sir indeed!!! Finally!!
I guess I’ve been a wee bit hard on our boys in blue. It’s just that like all the old timers on the blog, we’ve all seen this show before. One cup since 1940 my word.
Good morning, Boneheads!
Yes, Wick. Probably another $4.5M after. I believe these numbers will be even higher, and the league is trying to be conservative. Earlier this year the league projected revenue for 2021-2022 was waaay above what they predicted originally. I believe they were hoping for mid to upper $4B number, but this summer the figure seemed to be around $5.2-$5.5B! The number wasn’t released yet, but by what they said about paying the escrow out two years earlier than predicted, the number may be even higher.
FISHTICKS!!!!!
If someone is curious as to why their projections were way below of what the league actually made, this is what happened. They had a big bump in revenue by switching to TNT and ESPN, and that number was easy to project. But what they didn’t anticipate to happen is that by switching to those platforms they attracted much more viewers, and more importantly, much more new sponsors. That new sponsorship is what bumped the revenue significantly. The new sponsors included health care systems, banks, the exponentially increasing new sports gambling sites, beer companies etc.
What I smell is that the league is planning to bump their numbers substantially again in the very near future. While this could be good news for many teams, including ours, I’m afraid we will start seeing much more than just familiar letters on our boys’ jerseys. Ugh…
Ilb — advertisements on jerseys just stinks.
There are ads EVERYWHERE else in the arena and on tv. And on helmets. I hope Gary leaves the jerseys alone.
I thought it was the helmet ads!
I mean, look what happened to the once mighty Islanders when they put Gorton’s Fisherman advertisements on their jerseys….
Bwahahaaaa
James though our D was fine that series ..our big boys didn’t step up offensively or were gassed
I think Ted Leonsis has already sold a small real estate area on the Caps jersey.
Ted Leonsis. He was evaluated by his high school guidance counselor, who said his skill set was only good for a grocery store worker, lol.
“ Ted Leonsis. He was evaluated by his high school guidance counselor, who said his skill set was only good for a grocery store worker, lol.”
— gotta love “predictions”!! In high school I worked at a grocery store. The manager took me aside and told me I was “a follower, and you’ll always be a follower,” and walked away…. I ended up in podiatry school and getting voted for class president twice, and then was chief resident during residency training. Now in private practice, I’m on staff at 3 area hospitals, and teach anatomy and physiology to nursing students.
Good for Ted Leonsis!
Sorry if too much boring personal info.
LGR!
Political counselor to Abe Lincoln: “You ain’t going anywhere without that sheepskin, bubeleh.”
Ted Lasso is awesome!!
Oh…Leonsis…
Meh
😉
4.5 million lol. Didn’t they say that was going to take years and years ?
Like they say at a Carni…never underestimate the rubes and their gate money!
Bobby-
You’re not wrong about that I agree. I just feel like if they had guys that could Shut down tampas big names it’s their series to take. Keep Stamkos off the score board and Rangers win in 5 or 6 there..
And to be fair, I mean the Rangers led what? 1-0? 2-0? That’s a game 3 on the road with a 2-0 series lead. Wasn’t up to the offense there to seal the deal.
Powerhouse devils filleting the Sharks imagine that.
The Devils are still humble. The Rangers may need to learn some humility.
Mushnick: “Given all the bouquets thrown at the Rangers by MSG’s Sam Rosen and Joe Micheletti against the Sharks in the Garden on Thursday, you’d have thought the Rangers had won, 7-0, not lost, 3-2. “
The cap going up is a big red herring. 32 teams live with the same cap. Some adjusted better. Some gave stupid contracts.
This is one of the articles that talks about HRR increase. It was written in June
https://theathletic.com/3382650/2022/06/25/nhl-revenues-reach-record-high-thanks-to-jump-in-sponsorship-licensing-deals/?source=user_shared_article
In print, Mushnick rules.
Yankees look dead in the water.
Well I agree game 3 killed them James but I think they had chances to put them away with poweplay when they were up…who is the shut down center we are thinking about that won’t break bank?
Show us something kid.
Rangers need a vet on 3rd pair left D it’s that simple. For now I would go Hajek over Jones.
EddieJ
Did you watch qually yet? Always messes me up with the times when they’re over here in shangri-la.
Whether he’s traded or waived, whether he shows something or not in the next game or two, the Rangers should move on from VK. It’s only a question of how much (if anything), you can get for him. He doesn’t fit here. Can’t do this all year on a team that is trying to win a cup. Other gm’s see what’s happening. This is a showcase. It should be a short one.
“Yankees look dead in the water.”
What were they doing in the water? Isn’t batball played on land?
GG obviously responding to Krappy’s complaints. Again. What we have here is an unaccomplished malcontent.
However, he’s OUR malcontent and until he’s not ours, I’ll continue to root for him to figure it out and excel.
Yankees look dead in the water because they surely haven’t played baseball on land.
Canuk love affair with JT seems over. Fans on him and now teammates as well. And the big money doesn’t even kick in until next season lol
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/canucks-miller-schenn-appear-confrontation-periods/
Yankee OT: Time to clean house. Were dopes to give Boone a new contract and what has Cashman done with the biggest (or nearly so) contact for the past twenty years? One ring and many failures. It is not enough to say you were contenders many of those years – most fans could have put together equally good teams and staffing with that kind of coin.
Beezle is right on about the Yankees. Imagine a team striking out 41 times in 3 games. Every guy that gets up there is trying to hit the ball to Niagara Falls, even with 2 strikes. Boone is a terrible manager, but that is not news.
Donnie Baseball will be back in the Bronx soon
If they were gonna move in from VK somsoon, they wouldn’t have waived Hunt
Bobby-I think Rydahl is the new Hunt. Bigger, just as fast, plays center and PK and he’s waiver exempt. Like ILB said the other day, you can send him down if he’s not playing that day and add to the deadline cap space.
Bobby, special teams don’t always get it done in the post season. I’d argue that allowing a goal in the final minutes of a playoff game as they did against Tampa as well as Carolina is a bigger issue.
I for one am not clamoring for anyone specific. Just think that should be the type of player coming back if they are truly going to move a contract and/or a young player
I am still bummed that they could not fit Motte in. He was more effective than Hunt, Gauthier or Blais so far. He was a real disrupter on the 4th line. Now the 4th line is getting dominated and giving up goals against. They need to figure it out.
Probably right Tom but still don’t think Drury moves VK anytime soon…..the timing and return has to be right if he goes that direction
I think Sammy is still shaking off the rust….doesn’t look like his legs are back yet
just curious James …the top shut down centers are either too expensive or play for teams with playoff aspirations … unless Horvat is made available i guess ….still early
Yeah I realize that. But I didn’t say let’s trade for a top shut down center.
And quite frankly….people want to advocate for acquiring Kane and figuring out how to fit his 10.5 million dollar salary. So even if that WAS what I was saying, to theoretically fit a guy making 5-6 million shouldn’t raise an eyebrow
Looks like Vesey is sitting this one out, Kravtsov is in. It’s 5 pm start, folks
If JT were to have had a HOF career and now fell into disrepute in Toronto, old MSG suits would say: ‘Told you so.’
You mentioned checking line and Chytil so assumed you we’re talking about center position
EddieJ
The anthem left a lot to be desired…sing it right damnit!!!
Thanx for the update, ilb.
Halak and Kravtsov in I don’t like being negative but 3-2-1 after tonight. I dare them to prove me wrong.
Oh, well yeah I’m talking about the center position but I’m not saying it has to be a “big name” center
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